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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 1:32:41 GMT
Among the progressive attitude still postured in Menzingen and their elections, there is a win on the side of Catholic Tradition. There is a return of a SSPX member priest as a Superior General and not a bishop.
The will of Archbishop Lefebvre for the election of a Superior was very clear he did NOT want a Bishop to be the superior General to:
- Give the appearance of jurisdiction.
- Give a false appearance to the faithful a bishop is over them taking away the objectivity there is still a State of Necessity in the crisis.
- Not to give a Bishop superior general the false context what he does in Statue is merged in a view to be in office as a bishop.
Unfortunately those three things manifested itself in a very grave way able to give Bishop Fellay the leverage and maneuverability to be progressive as he did.
So with this new election having a simple member priest as the SSPX superior General, it helps to give a return to the reality we suffer from a defect of faith and not a pursued defect of canonical regularity that does NOT exist [1] as a nexus to this crisis of faith in the Church the present liberals leaders proffer to make an agenda. Just like the false excommunications did NOT exist; as the need they said for the "lifting" of the mass did NOT exist.
That said, providence is present again more starkly to focus on the faith than falling in complacency in persona of a Bishop saying things are "normal" we have heard so many times. Will the neo-sspx people remove their bias and return to the fight of Catholic Tradition or remain stiff-necked following the easy path given to them for 24 years by Bishop Fellay?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 2:00:52 GMT
There is an emerging pattern present in the new-sspx and with those superiors who are promoted to different posts emphasizing obedience as the primary virtue. Bishop Fellay said one time the unity of the SSPX is around the Superior General (sic) when unity in the Catholic Church is around the faith.
Regarding the new Superior General Fr. Pagliarani, he is no different enforcing this obedience as a primary virtue even OVER the faith itself.
In 2013, Father [Bishop] Faure disclosed in a french interview what transpired in the 2012 General Chapter when Bishop Fellay's April 15, Doctrinal Declaration was brought up for discussion by Fr. de Jorna. As mentioned elsewhere, Fr. Pagliarani when a rector of the seminary in Argentina squashed any dissent against bishop Fellay when the many concessions betraying tradition came from modern rome evident in the signing agreement of Bishop Fellay.
That said, it follows Fr. Pagliarani maintains a stiff hand like Bishop Fellay when it comes to obedience to themselves and protection of other superiors even when they are wrong against morals and against the faith.
Our Lord said where one's treasure is, is where one's heart and mind is.
Glad we live in the courts of our Lord than of men.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 13:59:29 GMT
I can hear the new slogans now. BUT that was +Fellay, there's a new SG now. Things are different. While the wolf gets more comfortable in grannies house. Come Come little red riding hood, continue off the path your master taught you. Be good to your grannie. Take care of my ailments you see. Clean my house all you want. I am just hungry. Care to join me for breakfast? I'll start a BIG pot of water to boil-
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 0:36:54 GMT
Excellent sermon demonstrating the complacency of Peter the apostle on the fishing boat not seeing the Lord and today's crisis inside the Church and with the leaders of the new-sspx.
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Post by antonio on Jul 16, 2018 10:04:39 GMT
Jul 14, 2018 20:01:15 GMT Machabees said: I have been very busy this week. There is so much here in this new appointment of the Superior General to unpack it will take some time. I have read many commentaries throughout many neo-camps. To suffice, I notice what is missing in each and every one is the rights of God in their commentary. It is many times A-political or practical in nature, though I understand, what is pushed on us in every quarter in our century is -- the rights of man. The turn of these new players are only a brand; not a de fide act of Faith. What will be the act of faith is what is in their new declaration published after their General Chapter meetings ending on July 21, 2018. It is that what defines the Superior General. ... We know what the saints and the Fathers of the Church had done. We know too what the great Archbishop Lefebvre instructed us to do. Deus Vult! "Instaurare omnia in Christo" To restore all things in Christ! "Instaurare omnia in Christo"
(correction - instaurare was misspelled )
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Post by Patty on Jul 16, 2018 14:10:25 GMT
Fr. Pagliarani: I can only repeat what was explained clearly by my superiors from the start: the canonical situation in which the Society presently finds itself is the result of its resistance to the errors that infest the Church; consequently the possibility of the Society arriving at a regular canonical situation does not depend on us but on the hierarchy’s acceptance of the contribution that Tradition can make to the restoration of the Church.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Tradition a pillar of the Church? And since when has error made anyone Holy, or saintly? God help us if our Pope, Bishops, or Priests buy into this dung hill! Where are the Church Militant?
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Post by Admin on Jul 18, 2018 12:20:24 GMT
The following is from a parishioner of Fr. Cardozo's in Brazil relating what Fr. told them about the election of the new Superior General and his Assistants, gratefully reprinted here with permission from both Fr. Cardozo and the person relating his words into English:
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Post by Anon2 on Jul 19, 2018 5:58:57 GMT
An audio has been released wherein a priest pretends an acquaintance with the new SG. They were in the seminary together and were ordained together. The REALITY (sorry Bp.Williamson to borrow your word) is that this priest was dismissed from the European seminary and found refuge elsewhere only to return to Europe on Ordination Day so that the logistics of attending ould be simpler for his family.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 8:01:11 GMT
Here is a 2009 interview showing the progressive attitude of the then SSPX superiors squashing dissent within their ranks to effect a deal with modernist rome.
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Post by antonio on Jul 21, 2018 11:38:18 GMT
What about the news that two new posts are made as of July 20th, both posts now immediately filled by +Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger, so that +Fellay can continue in his control of the new SG and also persist under greater secrecy their agenda of making a "deal" with Newrome? Fr. Patrick Girouard has some very interesting comments sent out to subscribers on his e-mail list. He says that as prior SGs these two men have a lot of experience negotiating with Newrome and there's no reason to expect they won't continue the same agenda, e.g., GREC, etc. Even before the announcement of these two new positions, Fr. Girouard cautioned that any recognition of the SSPX with unconverted Rome will result in a tw0-way relationship. It won't be merely Newrome recognizing the Society, but by their acceptance of this recognition, the Society will necessarily show their acceptance of unconverted Rome as their legitimate superior. And as Fr. Hewko has said on so many occasions (even more it seems than Fr. Pfeiffer!) that it is the superiors who form the subjects, not the subjects that form the superiors! A new article on Catholic Family News by Brian McCall denigrates the Resistance as a "conglomeration who fear a regularization at all costs" and see the time "when Tradition will be given its rightful place again as a threat to their position of no regularization under any circumstances." Seems McCall really stuck his neck out because he wrote that before these two new posts were set up. www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2018/7/14/reflections-on-the-election-of-the-new-superior-general-of-the-society-of-st-pius-x
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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2018 11:49:07 GMT
What about the news that two new posts are made now immediately filled by +Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger so that +Fellay can continue in his control of the new SG and also persist under greater secrecy their agenda of making a "deal" with Newrome? Fr. Patrick Girouard has some very interesting comments sent out to subscribers on his e-mail list.Even before the announcement of these two new positions, Fr. Girouard cautioned that any recognition of the SSPX with unconverted Rome will result in a tw0-way relationship. It won't be merely Newrome recognizing the Society, but by their acceptance of this recognition, the Society will necessarily show their acceptance of unconverted Rome as their legitimate superior. And as Fr. Hewko has said on so many occasions (even more it seems than Fr. Pfeiffer!) that it is the superiors who form the subjects, not the subjects that form the superiors! A new article on Catholic Family News by Brian McCall denigrates the Resistance as a "conglomeration who fear a regularization at all costs" and see the time "when Tradition will be given its rightful place again as a threat to their position of no regularization under any circumstances." Seems McCall really stuck his neck out because he wrote that before these two new posts were set up. www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2018/7/14/reflections-on-the-election-of-the-new-superior-general-of-the-society-of-st-pius-x
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 1:18:46 GMT
The new sspx administration.
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Post by Admin on Aug 9, 2018 17:53:23 GMT
From the French false resistance site (translation by Google Translate - its poor but adequate):
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The opinion of a fierce enemy of Tradition
This article has been published on the website of Golias. Golias had published a few years ago their judgment on the four bishops of the SSPX, and the analysis was pretty good. Here it is an analysis of the chapter before its closure. It seems to have been written before the reincorporation of Bishop Fellay, but it shows that the enemy is not mistaken: for them, eviction does not mean stopping the rallying process. It even seems that the reproach made to Bishop Fellay was his ambivalence. Which means that the rallying file will move forward more clearly now.Quote:It would be a small revolution - horresco referens ! - that lives the priesthood fraternity Saint-Pie-X (FSSPX), founded by the schismatic Archbishop Spiritain, Archbishop Lefebvre , in the footsteps of Vatican II. Directed after the death of the founder in 1991 by Bishop Fellay - ordained without a pontifical mandate - for nearly a quarter of a century, the latter has just been disembarked by the General Chapter meeting in Ecône (Valais Switzerland) until 21 July. Extreme Catholics chose an Italian, priest Davide Pagliarani - ordained by Bishop Fellay in 1996 - to preside over the destiny of the SSPX for the next twelve years.
At first very Franco-French, this fraternity now has 637 priests around the world (there are 400,000 Catholic priests), which is why Rome does everything to bring this minority back into the fold of the Official Church. The former Superior General Fellay was one of those - among the fundamentalists - to want this rapprochement with - at the key - the possibility of a personal prelature (like Opus Dei). In this perspective, the "personal prelate" would have been elected for life and would have obeyed only the pope. Lack of pot, the fundamentalists were divided on this rabibochage. On the one hand, because many schismatics still do not digest the Council, especially the texts concerning ecumenism, religious freedom and the more horizontal ecclesiology instituted by the Council Fathers (including Archbishop Lefebvre! ); on the other hand, the "Rome apostate" (according to the vocabulary of these extremists) is nowadays directed, according to them, by a dangerous progressive who wants to relativize the immutable doctrine on marriage (among others). Even though Francis recognized the validity of the Sacraments of Reconciliation and Marriage (1) conferred by the priests of the SSPX as part of the extraordinary Holy Year of 2015-2016, this was not enough and Bishop Fellay , 60, who is now pre-retired.
The new Lefebvrist triumvirate is composed of Superior General Pagliarani and two assistants: the Bishop of Galarreta - also ordained without a papal mandate by Archbishop Lefebvre and reluctant to let go of the ballast vis-à-vis the Council - and the French priest Bouchacourt , formerly of Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet (Paris-Ve), annexed and occupied church by the FSSPX since 1977, less closed than his assistant colleague. Special sign of this trio: all three have exercised their talents ... in Argentina. And who was then cardinal-archbishop of Buenos Aires? Monsignor Bergoglio and then Monsignor Poli , a Bergoglian creature, who helped the FSSPX to obtain the various official authorizations in order to be able to work legally in the Argentine territory. So things are more complex.
Of course, the reconciliation Rome-Ecône took a blow in the wing with this election. But the door is not closed. The FSSPX is now focusing more on the interpersonal relationship, betting on the mutual knowledge of the various protagonists ( François , therefore, and the fundamentalist leadership) to advance his record. The setting aside of Bishop Fellay is not a thunderclap in a blue sky. It is rather his ambivalence, if not his ambiguity, which has been sanctioned by his comrades. But make no mistake: the dialogue is not broken with the election of these new heads. On the contrary, the SSPX believes that it is able to move its case more effectively with people who have rubbed shoulders with the bishop of Rome in another life. It is true that with the Roman power, we must expect everything.
[Emphasis - The Catacombs]
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