Post by Nightowl on Jul 20, 2018 19:39:56 GMT
Jul 20, 2018 17:59:53 GMT @ecclesiamilitans said:
The Kentucky Fathers have and still do believe that Ambrose Moran never defected from the Catholic Church. If someone can prove me wrong, please go ahead.
Jul 20, 2018 17:21:10 GMT @machabees said:
Did you not read. If the fathers have a different knowledge today, and I will add, if I misunderstood, then I will retract what I wrote and say here - THE ALLEGATION THAT BISHOP AMBROSE DEFECTED TO THE ORTHODOX RELIGION.
I have no interest in straw-men arguments with you again, and again, and again as you do throughout these years. The foundation is Bishop Ambrose is a catholic; you need to submit to this and stop your deflection to build your case he is not; but only an orthodox. EM, your the greatest offender to the Church in this process. I have no interest to haggle on your hypotheticals what is not true.
I am not taking your baits but wish you to accept what we all have to as practicing Catholics the voice of the Church communicated through the grave burden these priests have on their souls to provide for what is right before God and not an opinion you have. I'm not interested in unproductive conversation when you refuse to build on a catholic foundation Bishop Ambrose is a catholic. Until then I or anyone cannot help you but to make headlines of sensual round robin arguments going nowhere like a few guests are doing now. They too refuse to accept any facts but their own answers for a bias agenda they wish to deny.
EM, staying in your own public opinion does not help yourself or anyone you are effectively tripping up in false narrations.
In 2007, Archbishop Gregory received Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorouky) of New York City, one of many episcopi vagantes who claim to have been consecrated by independent Ukrainian bishops, into the GOCA. After his reception, he participated in the consecration of Archimandrite John (Egan) as Bishop of Colorado Springs, along with Archbishop Gregory, on January 6, 2008."
How can he not defect and still participate in such a "consecration"?