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Post by Deus Vult on Nov 12, 2018 3:32:27 GMT
Nov. 10, 2018 on sedevacantism
Nov. 11th - 25th Sunday after Pentecost Parable of the cockle
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Post by littleflower on Nov 12, 2018 11:40:03 GMT
Nov 11th - 25th Sunday after Pentecost (Mass#2 - Fr Pancras)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 12:54:09 GMT
It is sad that members of this forum promote a priest, Fr. Pancras Raja, who believes that one is morally obliged to assist at neo-SSPX Masses on Sundays when no Resistance Mass is available. This is a watered down resistance.
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Post by Admin on Nov 13, 2018 21:10:11 GMT
It is sad that members of this forum promote a priest, Fr. Pancras Raja, who believes that one is morally obliged to assist at neo-SSPX Masses on Sundays when no Resistance Mass is available. This is a watered down resistance.
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Are you able to provide proof of this? Is this what Fr. Raja currently advocates or was this in the past? We all know that priests have sometimes changed their preaching. I think you have the burden at proof since you are the one making these allegations?
Thanks in advance for clarifying the basis of your statements.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 22:04:17 GMT
It is sad that members of this forum promote a priest, Fr. Pancras Raja, who believes that one is morally obliged to assist at neo-SSPX Masses on Sundays when no Resistance Mass is available. This is a watered down resistance.
EM,
Are you able to provide proof of this? Is this what Fr. Raja currently advocates or was this in the past? We all know that priests have sometimes changed their preaching. I think you have the burden at proof since you are the one making these allegations?
Thanks in advance for clarifying the basis of your statements.
I asked him directly within the last couple of months if he still held the same position as he did last year and he confirmed that he still held the same position. www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/10/01/fr-pancras-raja-and-the-kentucky-fathers/
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Post by kelley on Nov 14, 2018 2:28:53 GMT
EM,
Are you able to provide proof of this? Is this what Fr. Raja currently advocates or was this in the past? We all know that priests have sometimes changed their preaching. I think you have the burden at proof since you are the one making these allegations?
Thanks in advance for clarifying the basis of your statements.
I asked him directly within the last couple of months if he still held the same position as he did last year and he confirmed that he still held the same position. www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/10/01/fr-pancras-raja-and-the-kentucky-fathers/With the growing list of alienated priests, it does seem OLMC may be tolerating positions not in precise alignment - it's confusing. Still, this isn't the only situation which is causing confusion among the faithful. While supposedly in the midst of conducting exhaustive research towards the legitimacy of Ambrose Moran, a priest who was conditionally ordained by this alleged bishop assists in administering Sacraments. The acceptance of this priest's ordination "under condition" represents a premature acceptance of Ambrose Moran as a bishop. If the bishop's legitimacy has yet to be morally certified, how can his conditional ordination of a priest not be suspect as well? They go together. Why didn't OLMC first determine the bishop's legitimacy, before assigning this priest to administer Sacraments? Truly, this would seem to be most logical. But this situation is like putting the cart before the horse! To me, this confusion demonstrates an imprudent decision to hastily employ the offering of assistance, because those offers seem harder and harder to come by.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 12:55:59 GMT
On the other hand, why doesn't this forum promote Fr. Rafael, O.S.B. He is faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre, is not associated with the false resistance, and denounces Ambrose Moran. We have to stop with this cult-like mentality and stand for the truth. Fr. Pfeiffer needs to be opposed, especially on the Ambrose Moran issue.
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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2018 14:14:53 GMT
On the other hand, why doesn't this forum promote Fr. Rafael, O.S.B. He is faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre, is not associated with the false resistance, and denounces Ambrose Moran. We have to stop with this cult-like mentality and stand for the truth. Fr. Pfeiffer needs to be opposed, especially on the Ambrose Moran issue.
We have reasons for approaching Fr. Rafael with caution. Early in 2018 Fr. Rafael decried the OLMC Fathers for giving shelter to Fr. Roberts. He refused to speak to the OLMC Fathers about this, taking only the words of the laity on what to believe in that situation. It is not right to ignore one's fellow priests and turn only to the laity. It is for these reasons we approach Fr. Rafael with caution. thecatacombs.org/thread/389/happening-fr-raphael
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 17:23:42 GMT
On the other hand, why doesn't this forum promote Fr. Rafael, O.S.B. He is faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre, is not associated with the false resistance, and denounces Ambrose Moran. We have to stop with this cult-like mentality and stand for the truth. Fr. Pfeiffer needs to be opposed, especially on the Ambrose Moran issue.
We have reasons for approaching Fr. Rafael with caution. Early in 2018 Fr. Rafael decried the OLMC Fathers for giving shelter to Fr. Roberts. He refused to speak to the OLMC Fathers about this, taking only the words of the laity on what to believe in that situation. It is not right to ignore one's fellow priests and turn only to the laity. It is for these reasons we approach Fr. Rafael with caution. thecatacombs.org/thread/389/happening-fr-raphaelHypothetically speaking, even if what you write is true, is that really sufficient to turn our backs on Fr. Rafael? If you can point out some doctrinal aberration or significant difference between him and the Archbishop on a significant matter, then I would agree with you. But that is not the case. If, however, this forum is an arm of OLMC, then I can understand your position even though I do not agree with it. Priests come and go, but the truth remains.
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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2018 17:44:08 GMT
We have reasons for approaching Fr. Rafael with caution. Early in 2018 Fr. Rafael decried the OLMC Fathers for giving shelter to Fr. Roberts. He refused to speak to the OLMC Fathers about this, taking only the words of the laity on what to believe in that situation. It is not right to ignore one's fellow priests and turn only to the laity. It is for these reasons we approach Fr. Rafael with caution. thecatacombs.org/thread/389/happening-fr-raphaelHypothetically speaking, even if what you write is true, is that really sufficient to turn our backs on Fr. Rafael? If you can point out some doctrinal aberration or significant difference between him and the Archbishop on a significant matter, then I would agree with you. But that is not the case. If, however, this forum is an arm of OLMC, then I can understand your position even though I do not agree with it. Priests come and go, but the truth remains. EM,
You are misrepresenting what was written. I did not say The Catacombs 'turns its back on Fr. Rafael'. I said we 'approach with caution'. There is a distinction.
To be clear, in the 'Welcome' section of The Catacombs, we do not represent ourselves as an 'arm of OLMC'. Rather we state clearly for what purpose the forum was created:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 12:42:33 GMT
Hypothetically speaking, even if what you write is true, is that really sufficient to turn our backs on Fr. Rafael? If you can point out some doctrinal aberration or significant difference between him and the Archbishop on a significant matter, then I would agree with you. But that is not the case. If, however, this forum is an arm of OLMC, then I can understand your position even though I do not agree with it. Priests come and go, but the truth remains. EM,
You are misrepresenting what was written. I did not say The Catacombs 'turns its back on Fr. Rafael'. I said we 'approach with caution'. There is a distinction.
To be clear, in the 'Welcome' section of The Catacombs, we do not represent ourselves as an 'arm of OLMC'. Rather we state clearly for what purpose the forum was created:
Okay, but you cannot deny that this forum has given the cold shoulder to Fr. Rafael. I hope to see him more endorsed here.
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Post by nick on Nov 18, 2018 2:56:53 GMT
On the other hand, why doesn't this forum promote Fr. Rafael, O.S.B. He is faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre, is not associated with the false resistance, and denounces Ambrose Moran. We have to stop with this cult-like mentality and stand for the truth. Fr. Pfeiffer needs to be opposed, especially on the Ambrose Moran issue. Which other Priests do you believe are faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre? Do Fr. Chazal, Fr. Picot, Fr. Suneel, etc. belong on that list? From their point of view, they agree with your position, i.e. oppose Archbishop Moran. Have you created a list on who should and should not be in the true and false resistance. In your list, has Fr. Pfeiffer joined the ranks of the false resistance Priests?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 3:11:07 GMT
If you listen to 469 fitter Father Pfeiffer seems loyal to Archbishop Lefebvre so what's the issue?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 4:26:18 GMT
As people know the situation within the church is at a crisis point but there are no signs that show us that we are at the end of the tunnel. There are only a handful of priests world wide being loyal to Archbishop Lefebvre.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 4:32:12 GMT
Any debate must be judged on proof and evidence.
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