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Post by kelley on Nov 15, 2018 22:52:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 15:59:30 GMT
I have to admit I had uncertainty about Bishop Ambrose and have been waiting patiently for the facts to present themselves.
This conference really makes it clear that Bishop Ambrose is Catholic and a bishop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:31:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 14:22:37 GMT
Sounds like you did not listen to father's conference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 16:30:14 GMT
Sounds like you did not listen to father's conference.
Sounds like you didn’t listen to the video I linked. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 17:04:32 GMT
Ecclesia Militans,
I have read many of your posts on this forum and others.
I have heard what you in your personal opinion have to say about the subject of Bishop Ambrose.
I have seen how you argue with posts you don't agree with.
I do not agree with your position.
Father has quite adequately answered the question of Catholicity and status of Bishop.
Father outlined the teaching of the Church, historical examples of similar situations, and the teachings of the Fathers.
I will follow the teaching of the Church, historical Church examples, and the teaching of the Fathers.
At this point, IF THERE IS ANY DECEPTION,TRICKERY, OR FALSEHOOD , on the part of Bishop Ambrose Moran, it is between him and God. God is the primary here, the man only the instrument. I will leave that to the judgement of God. Father has done his due diligence.
I have not the time nor the desire to argue with you, I leave that to someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 18:24:48 GMT
Ecclesia Militans,
I have read many of your posts on this forum and others.
I have heard what you in your personal opinion have to say about the subject of Bishop Ambrose.
I have seen how you argue with posts you don't agree with.
I do not agree with your position.
Father has quite adequately answered the question of Catholicity and status of Bishop.
Father outlined the teaching of the Church, historical examples of similar situations, and the teachings of the Fathers.
I will follow the teaching of the Church, historical Church examples, and the teaching of the Fathers.
At this point, IF THERE IS ANY DECEPTION,TRICKERY, OR FALSEHOOD , on the part of Bishop Ambrose Moran, it is between him and God. God is the primary here, the man only the instrument. I will leave that to the judgement of God. Father has done his due diligence.
I have not the time nor the desire to argue with you, I leave that to someone else.
So in other words, Therese, you haven’t seen the video. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 19:25:00 GMT
EM,
There seems to be a great deal of conflicting arguments about the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. I believe Father Pfeiffer believes he has investigated and has confirmation in his own mind as to the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. Father is our pastor. He has shown time and again his desire to be a faithful and true defender of the One, Holy, Catholic Faith. You have decided to the contrary. Fine. I trust Father Pfeiffer as do so very many others. As Therese said< "at this point, IF THERE IS ANY DECEPTION, TRICKERY, OR FALSEHOOD, on the part of Bishop Ambrose Moran, it is between him and God. God is the primary here, the man only the instrument. I will leave that to the judgement of God. father has done his due diligence."
With all due respect... we are satisfied. We do not want to watch your videos. We do not wish to be subject to your nagging. Please move on or continue with your opinion on this subject elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 20:29:20 GMT
EM, There seems to be a great deal of conflicting arguments about the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. I believe Father Pfeiffer believes he has investigated and has confirmation in his own mind as to the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. Father is our pastor. He has shown time and again his desire to be a faithful and true defender of the One, Holy, Catholic Faith. You have decided to the contrary. Fine. I trust Father Pfeiffer as do so very many others. As Therese said< "at this point, IF THERE IS ANY DECEPTION, TRICKERY, OR FALSEHOOD, on the part of Bishop Ambrose Moran, it is between him and God. God is the primary here, the man only the instrument. I will leave that to the judgement of God. father has done his due diligence." With all due respect... we are satisfied. We do not want to watch your videos. We do not wish to be subject to your nagging. Please move on or continue with your opinion on this subject elsewhere. But the "DECEPTION, TRICKERY, and FALSEHOOD" deal with whether he is truly a Catholic bishop and that affects the sacraments. |
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Post by domineadjuvame on Nov 17, 2018 20:38:21 GMT
EM, There seems to be a great deal of conflicting arguments about the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. I believe Father Pfeiffer believes he has investigated and has confirmation in his own mind as to the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. Father is our pastor. He has shown time and again his desire to be a faithful and true defender of the One, Holy, Catholic Faith. You have decided to the contrary. Fine. I trust Father Pfeiffer as do so very many others. As Therese said< "at this point, IF THERE IS ANY DECEPTION, TRICKERY, OR FALSEHOOD, on the part of Bishop Ambrose Moran, it is between him and God. God is the primary here, the man only the instrument. I will leave that to the judgement of God. father has done his due diligence." With all due respect... we are satisfied. We do not want to watch your videos. We do not wish to be subject to your nagging. Please move on or continue with your opinion on this subject elsewhere. But the "DECEPTION, TRICKERY, and FALSEHOOD" deal with whether he is truly a Catholic bishop and that affects the sacraments. |
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Post by domineadjuvame on Nov 17, 2018 20:40:40 GMT
EM, There seems to be a great deal of conflicting arguments about the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. I believe Father Pfeiffer believes he has investigated and has confirmation in his own mind as to the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran. Father is our pastor. He has shown time and again his desire to be a faithful and true defender of the One, Holy, Catholic Faith. You have decided to the contrary. Fine. I trust Father Pfeiffer as do so very many others. As Therese said< "at this point, IF THERE IS ANY DECEPTION, TRICKERY, OR FALSEHOOD, on the part of Bishop Ambrose Moran, it is between him and God. God is the primary here, the man only the instrument. I will leave that to the judgement of God. father has done his due diligence." With all due respect... we are satisfied. We do not want to watch your videos. We do not wish to be subject to your nagging. Please move on or continue with your opinion on this subject elsewhere. But the "DECEPTION, TRICKERY, and FALSEHOOD" deal with whether he is truly a Catholic bishop and that affects the sacraments. |
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Post by domineadjuvame on Nov 17, 2018 20:47:55 GMT
I agree. Sacraments are vital and there should not be any doubt about the minister. I know a bishop is urgently needed but don't lose Hope. God will provide one at the proper time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 20:56:57 GMT
1) Ambrose Moran claims he was consecrated in 1976 by Cardinal Slipyj, Bishop Borecky, and Bishop Dimitri: ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ambrose0022.jpg2) Ambrose Moran claims Bishop Borecky wrote him a letter dated August 26, 1976 (shortly after the alleged consecration) that he, Ambrose Moran, was appointed the successor to Cardinal Slipyj: ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ambrose0021.jpg3) The following letter dated June 30, 1980 was written by William Moran to Bishop Borecky: www.ecclesiamilitans.com/Letter_Fr._Moran_June_30_1980.pdfThis letter was obtained from Fr. Bohdan Bilinksy of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto who found it in the archives of the eparchy: www.ucet.ca/chancery_193.htmIn this letter: a) William Moran addresses himself as a priest (Fr. Moran) and not as a Bishop. b) William Moran requests a reference letter from Bishop Borecky, one of the bishops that Ambrose Moran claims consecrated him, to join a schismatic Orthodox sect (Orthodox Church of America), so that he may finally be canonically regularized. Note: The letter is point #2 above was not found in the Eparchy of Toronto archives. 4) Orthodox priest, Fr. Tosi, confirms that William Moran applied to the Orthodox Church of America as an archimandrite (honorary title for Eastern Catholic and Orthodox priests) but was not accepted: www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/07/31/the-june-30-1980-letter-of-william-moran-to-bishop-borecky/oca.org/about/chancery-staffDo you still trust Fr. Pfeiffer's judgement, Therese and Domina? |
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Post by johnno on Nov 18, 2018 3:17:54 GMT
The time has gone where we blame the priests for our own lack of due diligence. It is each one of us who has to answer to God.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 14:52:53 GMT
Yes I do EM. Until the Blessed Mother definitively shows me otherwise.
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