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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 15:22:54 GMT
Where in our catechism or any place else does it say she was preserved from actual sin?
listen at about min. 6:50.
Good catch. Our Lady was preserved from Original Sin by a special privilege. In regards to actual sin, She co-operated with grace so that She never committed even the smallest venial sin. This is a sample of the rotten doctrine to be received by Ambrose Moran.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:26:35 GMT
Where in our catechism or any place else does it say she was preserved from actual sin?
listen at about min. 6:50.
Are you serious?! This website is showing to be more of a fringe. Adding to Larossa's crassness dictating who can listen to sermons is over the top.
What does the Immaculate Conception mean to you?
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Post by S.A.G. on Dec 11, 2018 16:34:47 GMT
Just answer my question where does the Catholic Church teach this?
As for your uncharitable reply: When the debate is lost, ridicule becomes the tool of the loser. ― Socrates
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:49:01 GMT
Just a couple of examples. ___________________________________________
What truths does the dogma of the Immaculate Conception teach? The dogma of the Immaculate Conception teaches:
• Mary was free from Original Sin and Actual Sin (mortal and venial sins) from the first moment of her Conception.
• Our Lady’s freedom from sin is the result of a very special grace from God; this made Our Lady free from Original Sin, and so she was a recipient, in a foreseen manner, of the redemptive merits of Christ. This is sometime referred to as preredemption. • Theologians (those responsible for explaining the Church’s teaching) say Mary’s “preredemption” was the pouring out of grace at the moment of her soul’s instance into her body – it was a very special exemption that allowed Our Lady to be free from all sin throughout her entire life. Our Lady was sinless. • This special exemption also made our Lady free from concupiscence. Concupiscence is the result of the damage done by Original Sin to our human nature, which appears as an attraction, or a desire, or a tendency for sinful sense-pleasure. www.thestationofthecross.com/catholic-qa-the-immaculate-conception-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary/ ____________________________________________________________ St. Thomas Aquinas “asks whether Mary was freed of actual sin. Thomas notes that Augustine thought that Mary might have been troubled by doubt at the death of Jesus and that Chrysostom thought that Mary asked Jesus to come out to see her out of vain glory or to produce wine to raise herself in others’ esteem because she did not believe in Him as she should. However, Thomas recalls Augustine’s words in (De Nat. et Grat. xxxvi), that there should be no question of sin with regard to Mary “on account of the honor due her Son, since she was “most certainly guilty of no sin” and “an abundance of grace was given her...that she might be in every way the conqueror of sin.” udayton.edu/imri/mary/i/immaculate-conception-dogma.php
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Post by S.A.G. on Dec 11, 2018 17:18:14 GMT
First let me make clear, I did not say she sinned.
What Ambrose said is that She was ALWAYS preserved from actual sin.
From the website posted by Pulcheria quoting our catechism:
The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary is “the dogma proclaimed in Christian tradition and defined in 1854, that from the moment of her Conception, Mary – by the singular grace of God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ – was preserved immune from Original Sin” (Catechism of the Catholic Church)
From My Catholic Faith Catechism 1954 p. 41: "Our Blessed Mother's soul was created as pure and spotless as the soul of Eve. Where Eve committed sin and lost her spotlessness, Our Mother Mary kept herself pure and spotless to the end of Her life."
"She kept herself...." means it was of her own free will. Our catechism tells us that She had free will and remained sinless with God's grace but still with Her will.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 17:26:18 GMT
Where in our catechism or any place else does it say she was preserved from actual sin?
listen at about min. 6:50.
Are you serious?! This website is showing to be more of a fringe. Adding to Larossa's crassness dictating who can listen to sermons is over the top.
What does the Immaculate Conception mean to you? Remy, are you Machabees?
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Post by S.A.G. on Dec 11, 2018 17:26:40 GMT
The other website posted by Pulcheria is quoting a Dominican in 2003. It's curious this post Vat II website mixes in Eastern Orthodox teaching to explain the dogma. Let's stick with pure Catholic teaching.
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Post by Hildegard on Dec 11, 2018 18:15:37 GMT
I have listened to few of these sermons, they remind me of the sermons in the SSPX, basic and not interesting. I gave him a fair shot but it is a no from me.
What makes a sermon good? It is more than just presenting basic catechism and saying the obvious. A good sermon should consist of going in deeper and giving rich explanation that gives us more dept to our catechism and deeper understanding. Catholic religion is repetition but it must be repeated with more detail and more dept for us all or we cannot grow.
Father Hewko and Father Pfeiffer have done 10-15 minute sermons in the past and they gave infinitely more detail, dept and knowledge.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 11, 2018 18:24:29 GMT
One night, while Elizabeth (St. Elizabeth of Hungary) was reciting the Angelic Salutation, to Whom (Blessed Virgin Mary) she addressed this blessed prayer appeared to her and said among other things: “I want to teach you all the prayers I did while I was in the temple. I was especially asking God to love Him Himself, and to hate my enemy. There is no virtue without this absolute love of God, and by which the fullness of grace descends into the soul; but, after having descended, it does not remain, but flows like water, unless the soul hates its enemies, that is to say sins and vices. Whoever wants to keep grace from above, must know how to coordinate this love and this hatred in his heart. I want you to do everything I did. I got up in the middle of each night, and I went to prostrate myself before the altar, where I asked God to observe all the precepts of His law, and I begged Him to grant me the graces I needed to please Him. I especially asked Him to see the time where this Most Holy Virgin lived, Who was to give birth to His Son, that I could consecrate My whole being to serve her and venerate her.” Elizabeth interrupted, to say to her: “O very Sweet Lady, were thou not already full of grace and virtues?” But the Blessed Virgin answered her, "Be sure that I thought myself as guilty and as miserable that you believe yourself to be; that is why I asked God to grant me His grace.”
"The Lord," added the most holy Virgin, “made of me what the musician does with his harp, who commands and disposes of all the strings to make a pleasant and harmonious sound, and then plays while he sings. This is how God had made My soul in accord with His good pleasure, my heart, my spirit and all my senses. Thus, regulated by His wisdom, I was often carried away just in the bosom of God by the angels, and I tasted so much joy, gentleness and consolation, that I no longer remembered having been born in this world. I was, moreover, so familiar with God and the angels, that it seemed to Me that I had always lived with this glorious court. Then, when it pleased God the Father, the angels brought me back to the place where I had begun to pray. When I found myself on the earth, and that I remembered where I had been, that memory flamed me with such a love of God that I embraced the earth, the stones, the trees and all things created, out of affection for their Creator. I wanted to be the servant of all the holy women who lived in the temple; I wanted to be subject to all creatures, by love for the Supreme Father, and this happened unceasingly to me. You should do the same. But you are still arguing, saying: 'Why are such favors happening to me, when I am unworthy to receive them?' And then you fall into a kind of despair, and you do not believe in the gifts of God. Be careful not to speak thus, for this displeases God very much; He may give, as a Good Master, His gifts to whomsoever He pleases, and, like a wise father, He knows well to whom they are suitable. Finally," said to her in closing the divine instruction, "I came to you by a special grace; I am given to you this night, ask me in all safety, I will answer everything."
Elizabeth did not dare avail herself of this faculty; but Mary having exhorted her a second time to question her, she ventured this question: “Tell me, Madam, why had Thee such a violent desire to see the Virgin who was to bring forth the Son of God?”
The Blessed Virgin replied: “One day, thinking of My resolution of never separating Myself from the Lord, I stood up to read, to find something to strengthen My Soul. Having opened the book, I fell upon this word of Isaiah: ‘Behold, the Virgin will conceive.’ I understood that the Son of God had to choose a Virgin to take from her His origin, and I immediately resolved in My heart, for the respect and grace of this Virgin, to preserve virginity, and to give Myself to her as a servant, and serve her, and never to separate Myself from her, even going all over the universe with her. Now, one night, prostrate in prayer, I earnestly begged the Lord to prolong My life until I can see this Virgin with My eyes, serve her with My hands, incline My head to venerate her, and to apply Myself entirely to her service. And here a splendor more brilliant than the sun, and from the midst of this splendor, I heard a voice saying to Me: ‘Prepare to give birth My son! And she added very distinctly: “’Know that the submission that thou want to do to another for love of Me, I want it to be made to Thee by others; I want Thee to be the Mother, the Lady and the Dominator of My Son, so that Thou not only are, but also that Thou givest Him to whomever Thou pleasest. He will not have neither My grace nor My love, nor the grace and love of My Son, whoever does not love Thee; and whoever will not have confessed Thee as the Mother of My Son, he will not enter My kingdom. Thou asked Me that I should make Thee agreeable to this Virgin who is to give birth to Him, so that she may have enough confidence to lend Thee My Son, and that Thy affection finds fullness in Him: and I tell Thee that Thou will have Him, and that He will be given to Thee by Me and not by another, and whoever does not implore thy favor, shall have no consolation from My Son.’ When I heard these things, I fainted out of fear and fell on the ground without being able to support Myself; had not the angels came and fortified me. From that moment, I abandoned Myself totally to the Divine Praises, in such a way that night and day I could not satisfy myself with praising God and giving Him thanks.”
These sweet conversations ended, Elizabeth one day saw a superb tomb covered with flowers, from which came her Divine Consoler to rise to heaven amid innumerable angels who led Her between the Arms of Her Son; an angel came to explain this vision of the Assumption, which was to be both a favor from above to support her in her actual misfortunes, and a sweet portent of glory that God reserved for her, as to Mary, if she remained until the end faithful and docile to His will.
The humble servant of Christ, in recounting all these marvels, said that she had seen and heard them with such intimate evidence and so clear of their reality, that she would much rather die than deny their existence.
- Fr. René François Rohrbacher
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 18:39:32 GMT
Are you serious?! This website is showing to be more of a fringe. Adding to Larossa's crassness dictating who can listen to sermons is over the top.
What does the Immaculate Conception mean to you? Remy, are you Machabees? I see you are writing this all over the place. No I'm not machabes! It was mostly because of machabes and others in my research on this website I started to see things a different way and alarmingly you perpetuating conspiracy. He nailed it. You lost it.
So I give you a courtesy. For you to ignore what the church says in these matters makes no productive conversation. Therefore I have no intention to get caught in your perpetual cycle of circular arguments when dozens have already tired previously answering your same conspiracist posts until YOU repent and publicly apologize for your disobedience and conspiracy going against the catholic church's teaching. Your fraud and conspiracy has no respect. The church rules you don't.
There is a reason the church teaches the way she does. Either you do not understand it or you have malice against her teaching, either way, she does so with mercy where you show none.
There is a real conversion in front of you, stop being sour and proud wanting something else.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 18:46:48 GMT
Okay. Thanks for answering.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 18:49:06 GMT
Remy, please explain how Ambrose Moran was consecrated a bishop by Cardinal Slipy when: 1) Ambrose Moran claims he was consecrated in 1976 by Cardinal Slipyj, Bishop Borecky, and Bishop Dimitri: ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ambrose0022.jpg 2) Ambrose Moran claims Bishop Borecky wrote him a letter dated August 26, 1976 (shortly after the alleged consecration) that he, Ambrose Moran, was appointed the successor to Cardinal Slipyj: ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ambrose0021.jpg 3) The following letter dated June 30, 1980 was written by William Moran to Bishop Borecky: www.ecclesiamilitans.com/Letter_Fr._Moran_June_30_1980.pdfThis letter was obtained from Fr. Bohdan Bilinksy of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto who found it in the archives of the eparchy: www.ucet.ca/chancery_193.htmIn this letter: a) William Moran addresses himself as a priest (Fr. Moran) and not as a Bishop. b) William Moran requests a reference letter from Bishop Borecky, one of the bishops that Ambrose Moran claims consecrated him, to join a schismatic Orthodox sect (Orthodox Church of America), so that he may finally be canonically regularized. Note: The letter is point #2 above was not found in the Eparchy of Toronto archives. 4) Orthodox priest, Fr. Tosi, confirms that William Moran applied to the Orthodox Church of America as an archimandrite (honorary title for Eastern Catholic and Orthodox priests) but was not accepted: www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/07/31/the-june-30-1980-letter-of-william-moran-to-bishop-borecky/oca.org/about/chancery-staff
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Post by Admin on Dec 11, 2018 19:08:33 GMT
I see you are writing this all over the place. No I'm not machabes! It was mostly because of machabes and others in my research on this website I started to see things a different way and alarmingly you perpetuating conspiracy. He nailed it. You lost it.
So I give you a courtesy. For you to ignore what the church says in these matters makes no productive conversation. Therefore I have no intention to get caught in your perpetual cycle of circular arguments when dozens have already tired previously answering your same conspiracist posts until YOU repent and publicly apologize for your disobedience and conspiracy going against the catholic church's teaching. Your fraud and conspiracy has no respect. The church rules you don't.
There is a reason the church teaches the way she does. Either you do not understand it or you have malice against her teaching, either way, she does so with mercy where you show none.
There is a real conversion in front of you, stop being sour and proud wanting something else.
Remy - again, I realize this was probably posted before my last two replies to you so its a free pass but stop the uncharitableness in your posts.
If your arguments are strong, they will stand on their own. If they are not, then ad hominems make sense as a last bitter resort.
Answer EM or anyone else who has written about their concerns and leave the accusations of malice, being sour, being proud, etc out of the posts. It really is superfluous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 19:29:48 GMT
I see you are writing this all over the place. No I'm not machabes! It was mostly because of machabes and others in my research on this website I started to see things a different way and alarmingly you perpetuating conspiracy. He nailed it. You lost it.
So I give you a courtesy. For you to ignore what the church says in these matters makes no productive conversation. Therefore I have no intention to get caught in your perpetual cycle of circular arguments when dozens have already tired previously answering your same conspiracist posts until YOU repent and publicly apologize for your disobedience and conspiracy going against the catholic church's teaching. Your fraud and conspiracy has no respect. The church rules you don't.
There is a reason the church teaches the way she does. Either you do not understand it or you have malice against her teaching, either way, she does so with mercy where you show none.
There is a real conversion in front of you, stop being sour and proud wanting something else.
Remy - again, I realize this was probably posted before my last two replies to you so its a free pass but stop the uncharitableness in your posts.
If your arguments are strong, they will stand on their own. If they are not, then ad hominems make sense as a last bitter resort.
Answer EM or anyone else who has written about their concerns and leave the accusations of malice, being sour, being proud, etc out of the posts. It really is superfluous.
Admin, do you think deleting my posts answering your spurious attacks against me is transparent and honorable? Making up fictitious ad hominems claims is ridiculous when you cannot answer questions posed to you. The Double standards on this website are glaring.
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Post by Admin on Dec 11, 2018 19:34:35 GMT
Remy - again, I realize this was probably posted before my last two replies to you so its a free pass but stop the uncharitableness in your posts.
If your arguments are strong, they will stand on their own. If they are not, then ad hominems make sense as a last bitter resort.
Answer EM or anyone else who has written about their concerns and leave the accusations of malice, being sour, being proud, etc out of the posts. It really is superfluous.
Admin, do you think deleting my posts answering your questions and attacks against me is transparent and honorable? The Double standards on this website are glaring.
Remy, I warned you three times to watch the uncharitable drama. And any continuation of that behavior will result in the same. If you can't control your emotions, you should take a break.
God bless you. Three Hail Mary's for you now.
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