Fake Resistance: Evolving sedevacantists...
Jan 12, 2018 15:25:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 15:25:47 GMT
We have already shown how the False resistance promotes sedevacantism in their trad-ecumenical quarters promoted by all the four False bishops. And how the sedevacantist inroads are becoming more prominent among them. And how the False resistance share the Thuc-line bishops. And incorporate with the Thuc-line. And how the False resistance also carries the new sede branch of "Una Cum Petro" priests to deceive the faithful even more.
The evolving sedes just got more clever, some now extend themselves to be a "tolerant sede" to entrap their paying crowd.
Sedevacantists say the “Seat is vacant” (non-una cum) and modify the Canon of the Mass (which they cannot do) so not to include the pope, but now declare at the same time to some of their people, it is ok to go to priest masses who officially put the pope in the mass. But, wanting to keep aloof the una cums as much as possible, they encourage their sede non una cum followers to disobey the Church.
The poor judgements from the False resistance are so far from Archbishop Lefebvre's wisdom and the spirit of the old sspx it is scary. They truly are Protestants.
So in order to trap more people in the False resistance, the sedes are promoting themselves as "tolerant sedes" - all blessed by the four Fake bishops.
Practicing too within the Fake resistance, is the "mass over the faith" belief that a catholic can practice a "private" act of worship in his mind to disassociate the officiating priest's impetus from the congregation he represents in its status and its doctrinal position.
Who wants to be under such erratic spiritual direction?
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Supported on a False resistance website: resistance.vraiforum.com/t512-Pr-cisions-de-MM-les-abb-s-Nicolas-Pinaud-et-Pierre-Roy-aux.htm
January 5, 2018 / Canada Faithful
Words of Fathers Nicolas Pinaud and Pierre Roy to the faithful giving them some details concerning several points that are difficult to the Canada Faithful.
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Dear faithful,
Many of you have expressed to us their questions and their anxieties caused by the advice that Father Ercoli would give them during his visits. We would like to take this opportunity to tell you how we think and act in this situation. This message is not intended to discredit Father Ercoli or his doctrinal position, but only to clarify what distinguishes us. Then you have to opt for the position that seems most in line with reality.
- Father Pinaud and Father Roy do not declare that the Apostolic See has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII. We have seen the obvious drift of the occupants of Peter's Seat since 1958, but we are not prepared to declare that all those who have been elected since then have been false popes. We do not think it impossible for the Church to say one day that we are in the presence of antipopes. But we prefer to wait patiently for the answer of the legitimate authority: "In the way of your commandments, Lord, we waited patiently, O God, your name and your remembrance are the desire of our souls." Isaiah, 26,8 We do not wish to enter into endless discussions about sedevacantism (because everything has been said and repeated before us), we simply find that sedevacantism poses almost as many theological problems as it solves, especially with regard to the Apostolicity of the Church.
- Similarly, Father Pinaud and Father Roy do not declare that any Mass where the name of Pope Francis is mentioned must be considered illegitimate. Considering the chaos in which the Church is at this moment, we do not wish to impose on the faithful a yoke that we ourselves perhaps "could not bear" (Acts 15, 10). Many priests, though persuaded to name Pope Francis to the canon of the Mass, nevertheless publicly express their wish not to be of communion with the infidels, and therefore the attendance at their Mass seems to us all made legitimate.
- Father Pinaud and Father Roy do not declare that the attendance at Masses of the Society of St. Pius X is to be avoided in all circumstances. They are of the opinion that, given the ambiguous situation in which the Fraternity is, we must distinguish on a case by case basis, according to the circumstances in which we find ourselves and according to the spirit of the priests present. The same is true, according to us, with regard to the reception of the other sacraments. The day when we consider that to avoid all contact with the priests of the Brotherhood will be imposed on the consciences of the faithful, we will make it clear. We remain convinced of the harmfulness of the gestures posed by the Fraternity in recent years towards the apostate Rome, that is why we refuse to collaborate, but we believe that prudence invites us, for the sake of souls, to avoid all too categorical advice which would remove the faithful from the sacraments without absolute necessity.
The peace of souls requires one direction at a time. The worried calls of some of you have prompted us to give you these details, as we have done in the past.
With the assurance of our priestly devotion,
In union of prayers,
Father Nicolas Pinaud
Abbé Pierre Roy
The evolving sedes just got more clever, some now extend themselves to be a "tolerant sede" to entrap their paying crowd.
Sedevacantists say the “Seat is vacant” (non-una cum) and modify the Canon of the Mass (which they cannot do) so not to include the pope, but now declare at the same time to some of their people, it is ok to go to priest masses who officially put the pope in the mass. But, wanting to keep aloof the una cums as much as possible, they encourage their sede non una cum followers to disobey the Church.
Fourth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople (Canon 10):
"As divine scripture clearly proclaims, Do not find fault before you investigate, and understand first and then find fault, and does our law judge a person without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?. Consequently this holy and universal synod justly and fittingly declares and lays down that no lay person or monk or cleric should separate himself from communion with his own patriarch before a careful enquiry and judgment in synod, even if he alleges that he knows of some crime perpetrated by his patriarch, and he must not refuse to include his patriarch's name during the divine mysteries or offices.
In the same way we command that bishops and priests who are in distant dioceses and regions should behave similarly towards their own metropolitans, and metropolitans should do the same with regard to their own patriarchs. If anyone shall be found defying this holy synod, he is to be debarred from all priestly functions and status if he is a bishop or cleric; if a monk or lay person, he must be excluded from all communion and meetings of the church until he is converted by repentance and reconciled."
www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum08.htm
"As divine scripture clearly proclaims, Do not find fault before you investigate, and understand first and then find fault, and does our law judge a person without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?. Consequently this holy and universal synod justly and fittingly declares and lays down that no lay person or monk or cleric should separate himself from communion with his own patriarch before a careful enquiry and judgment in synod, even if he alleges that he knows of some crime perpetrated by his patriarch, and he must not refuse to include his patriarch's name during the divine mysteries or offices.
In the same way we command that bishops and priests who are in distant dioceses and regions should behave similarly towards their own metropolitans, and metropolitans should do the same with regard to their own patriarchs. If anyone shall be found defying this holy synod, he is to be debarred from all priestly functions and status if he is a bishop or cleric; if a monk or lay person, he must be excluded from all communion and meetings of the church until he is converted by repentance and reconciled."
www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum08.htm
The poor judgements from the False resistance are so far from Archbishop Lefebvre's wisdom and the spirit of the old sspx it is scary. They truly are Protestants.
So in order to trap more people in the False resistance, the sedes are promoting themselves as "tolerant sedes" - all blessed by the four Fake bishops.
Practicing too within the Fake resistance, is the "mass over the faith" belief that a catholic can practice a "private" act of worship in his mind to disassociate the officiating priest's impetus from the congregation he represents in its status and its doctrinal position.
Who wants to be under such erratic spiritual direction?
-------------------------------------------------------------
Supported on a False resistance website: resistance.vraiforum.com/t512-Pr-cisions-de-MM-les-abb-s-Nicolas-Pinaud-et-Pierre-Roy-aux.htm
January 5, 2018 / Canada Faithful
Words of Fathers Nicolas Pinaud and Pierre Roy to the faithful giving them some details concerning several points that are difficult to the Canada Faithful.
******************************************
Dear faithful,
Many of you have expressed to us their questions and their anxieties caused by the advice that Father Ercoli would give them during his visits. We would like to take this opportunity to tell you how we think and act in this situation. This message is not intended to discredit Father Ercoli or his doctrinal position, but only to clarify what distinguishes us. Then you have to opt for the position that seems most in line with reality.
- Father Pinaud and Father Roy do not declare that the Apostolic See has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII. We have seen the obvious drift of the occupants of Peter's Seat since 1958, but we are not prepared to declare that all those who have been elected since then have been false popes. We do not think it impossible for the Church to say one day that we are in the presence of antipopes. But we prefer to wait patiently for the answer of the legitimate authority: "In the way of your commandments, Lord, we waited patiently, O God, your name and your remembrance are the desire of our souls." Isaiah, 26,8 We do not wish to enter into endless discussions about sedevacantism (because everything has been said and repeated before us), we simply find that sedevacantism poses almost as many theological problems as it solves, especially with regard to the Apostolicity of the Church.
- Similarly, Father Pinaud and Father Roy do not declare that any Mass where the name of Pope Francis is mentioned must be considered illegitimate. Considering the chaos in which the Church is at this moment, we do not wish to impose on the faithful a yoke that we ourselves perhaps "could not bear" (Acts 15, 10). Many priests, though persuaded to name Pope Francis to the canon of the Mass, nevertheless publicly express their wish not to be of communion with the infidels, and therefore the attendance at their Mass seems to us all made legitimate.
- Father Pinaud and Father Roy do not declare that the attendance at Masses of the Society of St. Pius X is to be avoided in all circumstances. They are of the opinion that, given the ambiguous situation in which the Fraternity is, we must distinguish on a case by case basis, according to the circumstances in which we find ourselves and according to the spirit of the priests present. The same is true, according to us, with regard to the reception of the other sacraments. The day when we consider that to avoid all contact with the priests of the Brotherhood will be imposed on the consciences of the faithful, we will make it clear. We remain convinced of the harmfulness of the gestures posed by the Fraternity in recent years towards the apostate Rome, that is why we refuse to collaborate, but we believe that prudence invites us, for the sake of souls, to avoid all too categorical advice which would remove the faithful from the sacraments without absolute necessity.
The peace of souls requires one direction at a time. The worried calls of some of you have prompted us to give you these details, as we have done in the past.
With the assurance of our priestly devotion,
In union of prayers,
Father Nicolas Pinaud
Abbé Pierre Roy
