Is Sedevacantism from Hell?
Jan 26, 2018 15:34:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 15:34:07 GMT
In a sermon Fr. David Hewko aptly said "Sedevacantism is a novelty of Vatican II". Rightly so.
Unprecedent this present crisis in the Church is tempting every soul to reflect who is God and His creative Reign, it comes back to the words of our Lord to Simon Peter - "...Do you love Me?" (John 21).
No crisis whether individual or whole goes without those words of our Lord sanctifying souls.
Sedevacantism is no different.
Our Lord anchored His Church as a visible Church, a Sanctuary for souls, created for sinners to find mercy and grace of salvation. Never in anytime of the creative world will God's goodness and mercy be amiss or forgotten.
A head without a body is a monster and dies. Our Lord and His Church does not die and is always visible full of life; a beacon on the hill of man's self-inflicted misery.
"Where is thou faith?", said our Lord passing on foot to every town and village meeting friend and stranger. It is by faith, He says, you will be healed and saved. "Without faith it is impossible to please God." (Hebrews 11).
Let that sink in. This crisis is one of faith; no question about it. The greatest temptation anyone endures. It is the first temptation in life and the last on the death bed. Our Lord's beloved Bride is going through Her way of the Cross and Her passion in the SAME footsepts of Her beloved. We all go through the SAME way of the Cross - "Take up your cross and follow Me... the servant is not greater than His Master...if they do this to me, they will do this to you. Have faith, victory is Mine."
So it is.
Victory in any temptation is not won without making an effort. The lepard is not healed without making an effort. The blind will not see without making an effort. What effort will each one of us do? The words of our Lord come back to question, give comfort and strength - "Do you love me...?"
Christ said I am the "Rock". So any temptation one experiences must remain on this Rock and endure as long as God's will provides for its removal. Sometimes it is immediate, sometimes it is longer. Isreal know this. Sacred History is releat with examples both individually and in whole as a nation. St. Paul queried our Lord to take the temptation away from him in personal benefit and our Lord responded it was necessary for his salvation and that of others the thorn be there for a while (2 Corinthians 12). St. Pau's generosity was pillar to follow our Divine Lord...and walked stronger with Christ. And St. John and other Saints begged our Lord to end the tribulations against the Church...our Lord responded it will only be for a little while.
Such is the role of temptation.
Do we endure on the Rock or fall against the Rock? Where is thy Faith?
Knowing the Church is incarnate both with a human and divine nature, the human part is one of sinners who can betray...and Saints who can bless. Discerning between the two natures of the Church is paramount to understanding this, and any, Church crisis.
Below are foundational quotes given by our Lord to to His Church to
guide and stand strong in all generations...including through this present
crisis of faith, authority, and every fallible pope.
---------------------------------------------------------
As baptized Catholics, we do not have the authority or right to publicly declare any Pope to have lost their office due to formal heresy until a competent authority from God had convened on the matter -- as in the past history and councils of the Church show. Holy Scripture decries this abuse of a servant against their master and punishes severely (1 Samuel, Leviticus 19). At the same time, we baptized do have the divine authority however to protect the faith and personally avoid anyone necessary, including a wayward pope, in their sin and errors (St. Paul).
St. Robert Bellarmine stated the same:
“Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior.” (De Romano Pontifice, II.29.)”
St. Thomas also states:
"Since it belongs to the same authority to interpret and to make a law, just as a law cannot be made except by public authority, so neither can a judgment be pronounced except by public authority, which extends over those who are subject to the community .... Wherefore even as it would be unjust for one man to force another to observe a law that was not approved by public authority, so too it is unjust if a man compels another to submit to a judgment that is pronounced by other than the public authority.”
The Fourth Council of Constantinople states that individuals, be they laymen, priests or Bishops, cannot separate themselves from communion with their patriarch before a synod has passed judgment about the man. If they do so, they themselves are cut off from communion.
Quote:
“The Fourth Council of Constantinople-Canon #10: “As divine scripture clearly proclaims, Do not find fault before you investigate, and understand first and then find fault, and does our law judge a person without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does? Consequently this holy and universal synod justly and fittingly declares and lays down that no lay person or monk or cleric should separate himself from communion with his own patriarch before a careful enquiry and judgment in synod, even if he alleges that he knows of some crime perpetrated by his patriarch, and he must not refuse to include his patriarch's name during the divine mysteries or offices.
“In the same way we command that bishops and priests who are in distant dioceses and regions should behave similarly towards their own metropolitans, and metropolitans should do the same with regard to their own patriarchs. If anyone shall be found defying this Holy Synod, he is to be debarred from all priestly functions and status if he is a bishop or cleric; if a monk or lay person, he must be excluded from all communion and meetings of the church until he is converted by repentance and reconciled”. www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum08.htm
Thus, a sedevacantist cannot make a public judgment since he has no authority to do so; if they do, they cut themselves off from the communion of the Catholic Church.
Fr. chazal also mentioned that John of St. Thomas quotes an important decree of Gratian (I, Dist 40, D 79, C.11) “Eiectionem summorum sacerdoutum sibi Dominus reservavit, licet electionem eorum bonis sacerdotibus et spiritualibus populis concessisset” [“The Lord has reserved to Himself the deposition of the Sovereign Pontiffs”].
AZORIUS, quoted by John of St. Thomas says, “No heretic Bishop, no matter how visible his heresy may be, and in spite of him incurring excommunication, or loses jurisdiction and Episcopal power, until he is declared such by the Church and deposed.”
Unprecedent this present crisis in the Church is tempting every soul to reflect who is God and His creative Reign, it comes back to the words of our Lord to Simon Peter - "...Do you love Me?" (John 21).
No crisis whether individual or whole goes without those words of our Lord sanctifying souls.
Sedevacantism is no different.
Our Lord anchored His Church as a visible Church, a Sanctuary for souls, created for sinners to find mercy and grace of salvation. Never in anytime of the creative world will God's goodness and mercy be amiss or forgotten.
A head without a body is a monster and dies. Our Lord and His Church does not die and is always visible full of life; a beacon on the hill of man's self-inflicted misery.
"Where is thou faith?", said our Lord passing on foot to every town and village meeting friend and stranger. It is by faith, He says, you will be healed and saved. "Without faith it is impossible to please God." (Hebrews 11).
Let that sink in. This crisis is one of faith; no question about it. The greatest temptation anyone endures. It is the first temptation in life and the last on the death bed. Our Lord's beloved Bride is going through Her way of the Cross and Her passion in the SAME footsepts of Her beloved. We all go through the SAME way of the Cross - "Take up your cross and follow Me... the servant is not greater than His Master...if they do this to me, they will do this to you. Have faith, victory is Mine."
So it is.
Victory in any temptation is not won without making an effort. The lepard is not healed without making an effort. The blind will not see without making an effort. What effort will each one of us do? The words of our Lord come back to question, give comfort and strength - "Do you love me...?"
Christ said I am the "Rock". So any temptation one experiences must remain on this Rock and endure as long as God's will provides for its removal. Sometimes it is immediate, sometimes it is longer. Isreal know this. Sacred History is releat with examples both individually and in whole as a nation. St. Paul queried our Lord to take the temptation away from him in personal benefit and our Lord responded it was necessary for his salvation and that of others the thorn be there for a while (2 Corinthians 12). St. Pau's generosity was pillar to follow our Divine Lord...and walked stronger with Christ. And St. John and other Saints begged our Lord to end the tribulations against the Church...our Lord responded it will only be for a little while.
Such is the role of temptation.
Do we endure on the Rock or fall against the Rock? Where is thy Faith?
Knowing the Church is incarnate both with a human and divine nature, the human part is one of sinners who can betray...and Saints who can bless. Discerning between the two natures of the Church is paramount to understanding this, and any, Church crisis.
Below are foundational quotes given by our Lord to to His Church to
guide and stand strong in all generations...including through this present
crisis of faith, authority, and every fallible pope.
---------------------------------------------------------
As baptized Catholics, we do not have the authority or right to publicly declare any Pope to have lost their office due to formal heresy until a competent authority from God had convened on the matter -- as in the past history and councils of the Church show. Holy Scripture decries this abuse of a servant against their master and punishes severely (1 Samuel, Leviticus 19). At the same time, we baptized do have the divine authority however to protect the faith and personally avoid anyone necessary, including a wayward pope, in their sin and errors (St. Paul).
St. Robert Bellarmine stated the same:
“Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior.” (De Romano Pontifice, II.29.)”
St. Thomas also states:
"Since it belongs to the same authority to interpret and to make a law, just as a law cannot be made except by public authority, so neither can a judgment be pronounced except by public authority, which extends over those who are subject to the community .... Wherefore even as it would be unjust for one man to force another to observe a law that was not approved by public authority, so too it is unjust if a man compels another to submit to a judgment that is pronounced by other than the public authority.”
The Fourth Council of Constantinople states that individuals, be they laymen, priests or Bishops, cannot separate themselves from communion with their patriarch before a synod has passed judgment about the man. If they do so, they themselves are cut off from communion.
Quote:
“The Fourth Council of Constantinople-Canon #10: “As divine scripture clearly proclaims, Do not find fault before you investigate, and understand first and then find fault, and does our law judge a person without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does? Consequently this holy and universal synod justly and fittingly declares and lays down that no lay person or monk or cleric should separate himself from communion with his own patriarch before a careful enquiry and judgment in synod, even if he alleges that he knows of some crime perpetrated by his patriarch, and he must not refuse to include his patriarch's name during the divine mysteries or offices.
“In the same way we command that bishops and priests who are in distant dioceses and regions should behave similarly towards their own metropolitans, and metropolitans should do the same with regard to their own patriarchs. If anyone shall be found defying this Holy Synod, he is to be debarred from all priestly functions and status if he is a bishop or cleric; if a monk or lay person, he must be excluded from all communion and meetings of the church until he is converted by repentance and reconciled”. www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum08.htm
Thus, a sedevacantist cannot make a public judgment since he has no authority to do so; if they do, they cut themselves off from the communion of the Catholic Church.
Fr. chazal also mentioned that John of St. Thomas quotes an important decree of Gratian (I, Dist 40, D 79, C.11) “Eiectionem summorum sacerdoutum sibi Dominus reservavit, licet electionem eorum bonis sacerdotibus et spiritualibus populis concessisset” [“The Lord has reserved to Himself the deposition of the Sovereign Pontiffs”].
AZORIUS, quoted by John of St. Thomas says, “No heretic Bishop, no matter how visible his heresy may be, and in spite of him incurring excommunication, or loses jurisdiction and Episcopal power, until he is declared such by the Church and deposed.”