Post by joseph on Apr 25, 2020 23:21:47 GMT
15:24 “Now we bring this up because of a specific problem that has come up recently. That is the teaching which is a new version of sedevacantism. Now we call it a new brand of sedevacantism version 4718. So there are many varieties of sedevacantism which are essentially the same teaching and that is: “The pope is not the pope.” So that Francis is not the pope. Now there is a new variety that has come up which is the variety that says that Francis and Benedict who are both consecrated bishops in the new rite, since they were consecrated bishops in the new rite, they may not be bishops. Best you can say is they might be doubtful bishops and since they are doubtful bishops, a doubtful bishop is to be considered not a bishop, therefore they are not to be recognized as bishops. And if they are doubtful bishops they may not be bishops. And if they are not bishops they are not successors of St. Peter.”
18:52 “The problem you have if you say that all the Novus Ordo ordinations are doubtful and they are not real and that all the episcopacy of Pope Francis is not real and episcopacy of Pope Benedict is not real. That means we have to say they are doubtful popes. And papa dubia, papa nulla. A doubtful pope who is truly doubtful he cannot be pope. So if he is truly, objectively doubtful. In this case he would be truly, objectively doubtful because his very ordination is doubtful. You have to be baptized and you have to be ordained bishop in order to become a pope.”
22:11 “The problem we have is, it’s like Pinocchio. Pinocchio was going to tell a lie. He only told one lie. But then what happened. He had to back it up. So his nose grew a little bit more. Then he had to back it up a little bit more and his nose kept growing. He only wanted to tell one lie. But what happened is his nose kept growing and growing and growing because he had to back it up and back it up and back it up. So like here, whenever we go against Holy Mother Church and her teaching, we cannot just have one error, it is going to compound into another. So when we look at the new ordination rite, the Holy Ghost will not allow that there will be 100000 priests and 7000 bishops who are NOT representatives of God. These bishops have valid ordinations to perpetuate with certainty Holy Mother the Church. And if we say these bishops are not bishops and these priests are not priests we get into an impossible situation. An insoluble situation.
31:22 “This new teaching that the ordination rites are all invalid is not correct. Archbishop Lefebvre taught in the Open Letter to confused Catholics that the matter and form of the sacrament of priesthood in the new rite is correct. The concern he had was with regard to the intention but the matter and form is correct. And that we accept as the priest in general as valid priests, we accept the bishops as valid bishops and when they come to us we do an inquisition to see whether or not the proper form was followed, they did the ceremony they were supposed to.”
Father Pfeiffer says:
• Doubtful means → invalid (!), if one holds this, one is a sedevacantist (unintentional at best)
• Invalid means no bishop, priest—> cannot be the case, as the Holy Ghost would not allow it to have invalid bishops, priests, sitting on their chairs, having their offices.
• Question: If there is no doubt, why reordain?
However, Archbishop Lefebvre, Fr. Hewko ( and numerous others as quoted above in this thread) say:
• Doubtful means unsure, we suspend our judgment, can be either or, better take the safer path, let the church decide later on