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Post by therecusant on Aug 4, 2020 16:03:16 GMT
From the 1917 Code of Canon Law.
Canon 2372:
My own (not very good!) translation:
Is Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood the teaching of the Church? Is its denial a heresy?
Is it not the case that one cannot do evil that good may come of it, and likewise that the end does not justify the means?
I cannot see any way around this.
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Post by Juan Diego on Aug 4, 2020 18:50:21 GMT
So what happened with the Ambrose/Moran "bishop" person? After all Fr. Pfeiffer, Mr. Kaldowi et all have been defending and promoting him since 2015. I think that needs some explaining.
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Post by therecusant on Aug 4, 2020 20:26:39 GMT
So what happened with the Ambrose/Moran "bishop" person? After all Fr. Pfeiffer, Mr. Kaldowi et all have been defending and promoting him since 2015. I think that needs some explaining. Have you just woken up from an 18 month coma? Or is this an attempt to stir the pot? Ambrose is so early 2019.
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Post by therecusant on Aug 4, 2020 20:30:27 GMT
Maybe this needs a thread of its own? Sermon of Fr. Rafael Arizaga, OSB 2nd August, 2020 London
In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
Dear Friends, this is the Ninth Sunday after Pentecost and we have just read the Epistle and the Gospel which portrays the great punishments which God inflicts upon those who commit serious sins, to remind us that sin is to be punished, sin is totally and completely intolerable, it is condemned by God. So he warns us, because he says: “He who thinketh himself to stand, let him fear because he may fall at any moment.” Nobody is secure in this life. That is why it is a principle of the Saints that we must prefer to die before committing even a venial sin. That’s a golden principle for us.
We must hate sin, in such a degree that we must prefer to die than even commit a venial sin. And this is why I want to go into an event that happened recently, a very sad event, which is very important to explain and to view in the perspective of God’s point of view, from His doctrine. You notice that through the centuries our fight has been concentrated around the Faith. That is because the Faith is the door to the sacraments, to the Catholic Church, to our salvation; because it is the Divine Word, it is revelation, the Divine words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God. So our Faith is *divine* - we cannot compromise or diminish it or have a lack of love for truth or for doctrine, because by doing that we would be separating ourselves from Our Lord Jesus Christ. This is so important.
So what has happened just recently? You have noticed maybe in the news that Fr. Pfeiffer had a ceremony of being consecrated a bishop by the so-called bishop Neal Webster, and it’s very important for us to speak about this because this has a very great influence and damage on the Catholic Church. We must protect our Faith and souls and tell exactly what should be our position, our thoughts, about this event. Just remember that Archbishop Lefebvre’s banner is the Faith.
The most important topic, the priority is the Faith. In such a way that if we lack respect, honour, love and obedience to our Holy Faith, we are lacking respect, honour, love and obedience to Our Lord Jesus Christ. So our Faith, our religious fervour, is the same as that, because it is divine, our Faith is divine. That is why in the sermon last Sunday, we saw that the disposition which we need to have in receiving the Blessed Sacrament is the same disposition that we need in regard to our Holy Faith. And more than that: because the Faith is more important than Sacraments in order to be saved. St. Jean-Marie Vianney, St. John Chrysostom and St. Caesarius explain very clearly, as we saw last Sunday, that he who lacks love for truth is in danger of damnation in the same proportion as those who are not baptised, or even worse, say St. Caesarius and St. John Chrysostom. Those who do not love truth - which means they are rejecting the divine word on a regular basis, they don’t respect it, they don’t honour it, they don’t love it, they don’t obey it – they are endangering their salvation as much as those who are not baptised. It is as if they were not baptised, so serious is this topic.
So the most important thing to speak about is the Faith. We cannot be unfaithful to the Faith. When we practice our holy religion, we always move upon solid, divine grounds. You notice that Archbishop Lefebvre taught us that we don’t move, we don’t take decisions using human means: human persons, leaders, ideas, opinions, theological theses. For example, sedevacantism: we don’t take it as a basis for our decisions because sedevacantism is a theory; it’s not in canon law, it’s not in the practice of the Church at all in all of history. It’s a nice theory but we don’t apply it at all in practice because it’s not in the Magisterium, it’s not approved by the Magisterium of the Church at all. We leave it as a theory. Maybe in the future it will be something that there will be a declaration about, or something in that direction, but for now we keep obeying divine things: the Magisterium of the Church, canon law, Traditional canon law and the practices of the Church and we don’t move from that ground. We move on divine grounds, remember.
This is why it is very serious if we don’t see the fight at the level of the Faith. Many see the fight at the level of the sacraments, on the level of the Mass. “If I get sacraments, if I get Mass, I am happy enough.” Wow, be careful! If we are not faithful in questions of the Faith, we will be unfaithful to Our Lord indirectly and we will not receive the graces that we expect! Of course not! By deliberately committing even venial sins, it is like slapping Our Lord and at the same time trying to kiss Him.
So I will give you a quote which fits very well Our Lord’s view on this topic of Fr. Pfeiffer being consecrated bishop through the sedevacantist, Feeneyite, heretic and so-called “bishop” Neal Webster. Our Lord said in John X, 1:
“ Amen, amen I say to you: He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber. … The sheep see him as a stranger and they follow not, but flee from him.”
These words apply very well to this case. Because if we don’t move through the Faith, through the Magisterium, through the ordinances and laws of the Church concerning these topics: ordinations, bishops and sacraments – we are not entering through the door. Remember the door is the divine. The door to the sheepfold, to you, the sheep, is whatever is divine: Our Lord, our Holy Faith, the Magisterium, divine revelation, the Holy Ghost, the Blessed Virgin Mary. All the divine elements are the door by which we can enter into the sheepfold and teach you and give you sacraments. So whoever wants to feed the sheep or to teach the sheep outside this door, without using this door - it’s very clear - he who climbs in another way is a thief and a robber and a stranger to the sheep. And they follow him not and they flee from him. Our Lord is telling us here exactly what we are supposed to do in such moments. That’s what Archbishop did with the Thuc line, we will see that. But it’s important to show you the basis, how we have to view these situations, these events. They are stepping upon doctrine, canon law, using a heretic to receive Holy Orders – the issue here is not validity, we can speak about that in another sermon. The focus that Catholics are losing is that our fight is on the level of the Faith. If a bishop or a priest is not with the banner of the Faith, we don’t hear him, we don’t want him, even if he is valid, even if he is Catholic and he is not leaving the Church with heresies.
So to tell you that this is exactly what Archbishop Lefebvre was doing, I will tell you a quote of Archbishop Lefebvre concerning these kind of bishops who are ordained in these circumstances, outside the well-established rules, precepts and canons of the Church. Archbishop Lefebvre said in June 1982:
“Those bishops will bring ruination and scandal to the Church.”
And speaking about Bishop Thuc, he said,
“He seems to have lost all reason.”
Because Bishop Thuc, let’s make a parenthesis, he collaborated with Palmar de Troya, ordaining priests and a bishop without preparation, without permission, without supervision, without supervising that they would be giving the sacraments rightly with sound doctrine. Also he gave sacraments to the Old Catholic Church heretics from the 19th Century. He concelebrated a Novus Ordo Mass, he went to apologise to John Paul II. He committed many crimes like that, like ordaining priests without knowing them, without preparation, without formation. There are many scandals, many sins against law, against the will of God, against the will of the Church, without having sound doctrine. So Archbishop Lefebvre did not want to call Fr. Guerard des Lauriers “bishop,” he avoided it. When he referred to Guerard des Lauriers, he addressed him as “Father.” And when he also wanted to address one of the Thuc line bishops, he said “The one who calls himself Monsignor” – he was referring to Mgr. Munari. Archbishop Lefebvre said, concerning these bishops:
“We will not have any contact with them whatsoever. We cannot play their game. We have to leave them behind. And I think there is nothing better to make them reflect and then bring them back.”
So: silence, ignoring, leaving them alone. It’s a kind of fraternal correction for them to regain their senses. To not even call them “bishop,” no, not even that. That was the Archbishop’s decision. It’s a fraternal correction in order for them to return to their senses. They have been violating the law of God, the law of the Church, therefore they have been receiving sacraments and giving sacraments without the will of God, which is precisely what we have seen in the quote: they have entered into the sheepfold as robbers, by climbing in another way. It’s extremely serious. This is precisely what Our Lord refers to as wolves. We don’t call them wolves, but Our Lord compares them to wolves because they are taking orders and sacraments without divine mandate, by their own decision, stepping upon the laws of God and the will of God. It’s really serious.
So St. John Chrysostom says about those who step upon the sacraments, in his homily No.60:
“When we receive sacraments with less dignity, with less purity, with less dispositions than those fitting, we become unworthy of the same sacraments and we deserve that Our Lord take them away from us.”
That is the seriousness of wanting to receive sacraments without the right dispositions, without faithfulness to the Faith. Like the SSPX, for example, those in the SSPX who want to receive the sacraments without being faithful to the Faith, they deserve, St. John Chrysostom says, that their sacraments will be taken away from them because they have become unworthy of the sacraments.
People attack us saying that we don’t have bishops. Wait a second! There is a Pope, there are bishops, that is not the problem. The problem is that they are not trustworthy, they don’t have the doctrine. There are bishops, but they aren’t trustworthy for us to go to them. The sheep listen to the shepherd, they know the voice of the shepherd and they follow him. We don’t hear the voice of the shepherd in those bishops, that’s why we don’t follow them. So it is not a question of validity, this is very important for me to tell you: sacraments are not the main issue. The main issue will always be the Faith, the Catholic Faith.
St. John Chrysostom says that we do betray Christ if we receive the sacraments in that manner, because we are discrediting and dishonouring the same sacraments. We discredit and dishonour sacraments and Our Lord, and we are a scandal. So he keeps saying: by doing so we might cause the weak ones to doubt about the promises of Christ and the power and reality of the sacraments. It’s very serious. So these are our guidelines, supported upon the Scriptures, doctrine and Archbishop Lefebvre. So we know what we have to do in these situations.
We have to pray for Fr. Pfeiffer because he is taking upon himself a sacrament concerning which St. John Chrysostom says: If a bishop is not a Saint, most probably he is going to go to hell, so great is the responsibility which falls on a bishop if he doesn’t do what he should. This is why it’s very serious. Because also we will have priests ordained by him without having the doctrine, without having the mandate, the will of God to do it, and people nowadays have deceit because they move by sacraments, they want sacraments only, they don’t care about the Faith any more. I remind you what St. John Chrysostom says about those people: Those who have a lack of love of truth are risking their salvation as much as those who are not baptised. It’s strong, it’s true.
So let’s keep the banner of the fight for the Faith, and don’t be deceived. We know very well that the Blessed Virgin Mary and Our Lord Jesus Christ have all the graces that we need and they are going to give it to us if we are faithful. In the gospel of today it says that Our Lord will allow us to have temptation beyond our strength. This is very hopeful for us. Our Lord will be giving us grace, if we are faithful to Him, He will give us the grace, His company and His love will be with us, and even if we have great temptations and great trials He will not allow us to be tempted beyond our strength, beyond the grace that He is going to give to us.
This is the fight, dear friends. Please, don’t do the fight at the level of sacraments: “I have sacraments, I need sacraments…” If we are not faithful to the Faith, sacraments are more damaging than beneficial to us. This is the principle. If we are faithful to Our Lord in questions of Faith, then yes, we have the right dispositions to receive plenty of graces from the sacraments on a daily basis. If we are not faithful to Our Lord in questions of the Faith, we are lacking in love of truth, we have negligence and the wrong dispositions to receive sacraments, if we are blameworthy, if we are committing deliberate sins, then receiving sacraments is like slapping Our Lord on the face and at the same time trying to receive Him. It’s impossible.
So these principles are very important. Do pray for Fr. Pfeiffer, he’s in a trap, the devil is trapping him. So let’s pray for him because he’s in grave danger for himself, for his seminarians and for the Church. For now, our attitude is to flee from him, to be far from him, and not to call him “bishop” for his own sake, and to pray for him.
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
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Post by hermenegild on Aug 4, 2020 23:22:01 GMT
Another excuse/lie/misrepresentation from Mr. Steve Kaldawi about Webster's fumbling:
Someone replied to this comment
So if Steve K is correct, why Pope Pius XII declared what were the essential words of a consecration? If they weren't essential, it would be absolutely ok to substitute mystery for ministry. But it's not ok.
OLMC seminarians are showing us all what the fruit of Fr. Pfeiffer's tutelage really is.
Agere sequitur esse (“doing follows being”). Playing fast and loose with the Sacraments lets the world know what you really are.
[Admin note: This post was moved to this thread as it had less to do with Fr. Pfeiffer's Severance from Archbishop Lefebvre and has more to do with the highly questionable "consecration" of Fr. Pfeiffer.]
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Post by Juan Diego on Aug 5, 2020 3:09:12 GMT
Wow excellent sermon by Fr. Rafael and yes I would like to see it in its own thread for others to find it easily. As for my question earlier people need transparency concerning the Moran issue. I know some who fell for that one and even sadly confirmed by the fraud. Did OLMC priests denounce Moran? I have not heard or read anything clarifying that problem. Not all of us have access to the true resistance priests to inquire about such things.
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2020 10:12:17 GMT
Holy Orders are, in and of themselves, a good thing. But they are not the most important thing, they are not more important than the Faith. From now on, whenever Fr. Pfeiffer talks about the Faith, our Holy Faith, standing for the Faith, spreading the Faith, etc., I will hear only the voice of hypocrisy and deceit. Does that same "Faith" include Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood, by any chance? Our Holy Catholic Faith is so precious that we can never do anything to diminish it, or even risk diminishing it, in ourselves or in others. It is so precious that we cannot compromise it, we cannot compromise on a level of doctrine, we cannot even risk giving the *appearance* to compromise on a level of doctrine. "Without Faith it is impossible to please God" - not without sacraments, without priesthood, without bishops, without Holy Orders... The Faith is what gets us to heaven. At baptism, when asked what they seek from the Church, the godparents reply not "baptism," not "the sacraments" but "Faith." There was once a time when Fr. Pfeiffer himself understood this. Why is it that for the past seven or eight years, Fr. Pfeiffer's faithful were told by him not go to the sedevacantists to get their children confirmed, they couldn't go to the Feeneyite Fr. Gavin Bitzer in Louisville for the sacraments (for example)... but it is now somehow alright for him to go to a sedevacantist Feeneyite for episcopal consecration? Holy Orders is arguably a more important sacrament and therefore one even more strictly controlled and with even stronger punishments attached to its misuse and abuse. Which is worse - a layman receiving Holy Communion at a Feeneyite chapel or having his child confirmed by a sedevacantist bishop, or a priest receiving episcopal consecration from one? Tragic. If any man thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall.
Archbishop Lefebvre
Letter to Friends & Benefactors, no. 9, 1975: Every Catholic can and must resist anyone in the Church who lays hands on his Faith, the Faith of the Eternal Church, upheld by his childhood catechism. The defense of his Faith is the first duty of every Christian, more especially of every priest and bishop. Wherever an order carries with it the danger of corrupting Faith and morals, “disobedience” becomes a grave duty.
The Angelus 1981: My dear friends, we are betrayed. You—you are betrayed. All honest people are betrayed. All who believe in the Catholic Faith are betrayed. All who believe in Our Lord Jesus Christ, all who wish to defend the Faith of Our Lord, who wish to defend the fundamental truth of their Faith... Law has been replaced by conscience. Everyone does as he pleases. Everyone looks to his conscience, and no longer to law. These are the Modernist ideas which are spreading in the world. ... How can this be, my dear friends? You know as well as I. I cite facts. I do not seek for explanations; I stand by facts. The fact is that our resolution is made, to stand forever: qui perseverat usque in finem, his salvus erit. (He who perseveres unto the end, he will be saved. Mt. 10:22) And persevere in what, I ask you? Persevere in the Catholic Faith! Persevere in what Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us...
Interview with Fideliter January-February 1991: Certainly the question of the liturgy and the sacraments is very important, but it is not the most important. The most important is that of the Faith. For us it is resolved. We have the Faith of all time, of the Council of Trent, of the Catechism of St. Pius X, of all the councils and all the popes before Vatican II. ... In a sense things today are becoming clearer. They always give us more reason. We are dealing with people who have a different philosophy to ours, a different way of seeing, who are influenced by all modern subjectivist philosophers. For them there is no fixed truth, there is no dogma. Everything is evolving. That is a totally Masonic concept. This is really the destruction of the Faith. Fortunately, we continue to lean on Tradition!
It seems we can apply the admonishment of Archbishop Lefebvre toward those who compromised the Faith with Modernist Rome to OLMC, who too has compromised on the Faith:
18) Can we go to the masses of the "Rallies" [those who compromised]?
No, one can not go to the Masses of the Rallies, first because the attendance at Mass is a public profession of the Faith and this profession of Faith is altered by the Rallies, secondly because the attendance at the Mass. The result is a relativisation of doctrinal oppositions, and third, because such assistance develops perilous contacts for the Faith.
"They say also: the Mass is good, we go there. Yes, there is Mass. She is good, but there is also the sermon; there is the atmosphere, the conversations, the contacts before and after, which makes that slowly we change our ideas. So it's a danger and that's why I generally think it's a whole. We do not go to Mass alone, we go to a community.
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Post by tm on Aug 5, 2020 11:34:26 GMT
I’d like to know, where is the charity of these Priests / “Bishop’s” are, for the poor souls who are looking to them for guidance on the narrow road that leads to Heaven? Seems the Pride of worldly honor has blinded their way, and now you’ve got “the blind leading the blind” off the cliff into the Abyss! May Our Lady’s Triumph come soon!
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Post by therecusant on Aug 5, 2020 11:53:20 GMT
The invoking of Our Blessed Mother as though she is somehow responsible for this outrage is perhaps the most offensive. What good can possibly come from attributing such evils to the Blessed Virgin Mary like that? What greater insult to the Mother of God than to "credit" her with having sent a Feeneyite sedevacantist supposed "bishop" of doubtful origin, one who can't even get the words right..? It's just sickening. Miserere nostri Domine, miserere nostri.
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Post by Admin on Aug 9, 2020 15:41:37 GMT
Has anyone noticed that Fr. Pfeiffer has proven he has the same characteristic common to all the original Thuc line bishops?
They all sought their own Orders.
Fr. Ruiz explicitly noted this characteristic in his Statement about Fr. Pfeiffer's 'consecration': "It is regrettable that one wants to call oneself a "bishop" when it should be the Church who does so."
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Post by therecusant on Aug 19, 2020 17:37:50 GMT
Wow excellent sermon by Fr. Rafael and yes I would like to see it in its own thread for others to find it easily. As for my question earlier people need transparency concerning the Moran issue. I know some who fell for that one and even sadly confirmed by the fraud. Did OLMC priests denounce Moran? I have not heard or read anything clarifying that problem. Not all of us have access to the true resistance priests to inquire about such things. Juan Diego, my apologies, I realise now that I never replied to you. Briefly - around the end of 2018 Fr. Pfeiffer was promoting Ambrose like mad and most people were having none of it. In Feb.2019 Fr. Hewko left, with the majority of the faithful who had been supporting Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko previously, firmly behind Fr. Hewko and against Fr. Pfeiffer. At that point, it seemed as though Fr. Pfeiffer "distanced himself" from Ambrose (yet again!) albeit in a rather half-hearted and unsatisfactory manner, with a decidedly ambiguous statement which raised more questions than it answered. Fr. Pfeiffer managed, intentionally or otherwise, to make it sound as though he was just putting Ambrose back on the shelf for a few months until opposition died down and the circumstances seemed more propitious for him to dust him off and bring him out again. The only snag is that Ambrose himself, it seems, didn't like being treated that way and from that point on he behaved like a jilted lover. He gave sermons all about how Archbishop Lefebvre wasn't even a valid priest because of the Lienart theory (which he presented as fact and which would make even Fr. Pfeiffer himself not a priest!) and he electronically excommunicated people via youtube (in hindsight it's quite funny really, when one considers it!), including, by name, Mr. Tony La Rosa, Mr. Greg Taylor, and "Mr." David Hewko whom I gather he also pretended also to "laicise"..! If you want to know more about him, there's this study into him, who he is, his background etc. from January 2019, here: www.stmaryskssspxmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Ambrose-Moran-Findings.pdfThere are also some rather disturbing police reports into him out there somewhere, if you're really interested. The point to take away is that they demonstrate beyond any doubt that he is a man of dubious moral character, whatever else one might say about him. Happy reading.
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