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Post by John on Mar 19, 2018 0:30:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 2:02:44 GMT
John, cherry picking some highlights what Bishop Williamson said in his Eleison Comments (and one sermon) without providing ALL of what he said is precisely the coy he likes to live with, and his followers like as well -- complete ambiguity. The damage control of that video, Jan 11, 2018, which reads " Bishop Williamson ABOUT sedevacantism", is NOT against sedevacantism, is noticed and sent only for propaganda to buttress him up, unfortunately. We want the Catholic bishop to speak truth clearly and unequivocally; which he is NOT doing. I have read the captions in the video, and some of those EC are very good regarding sedevacantism. Yet, if you are a EC reader as I am, the bishop adamantly mixes good comments at the SAME time with duplicit bad comments unacceptable as a Catholic. Please take the time then to read the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would say. The facts show for themselves. - Bishop Williamson states sedevacantism is wrong as a DOCTRINE.
- He says sedevacantism is wrong when someone makes it obligatory for others to live by (dogmatic sedevacantism).
That is all he says about its premise. HOWEVER, he supports sedevacantism in its practical terms: - Bishop Williamson says you can go to sedevacantist masses [1].
- He says you can BELIEVE in sedevacantism, and REMAIN in sedevacantism but do not force it on anyone [2].
- He allows and supports priests to be sedevacantist; AND, lets them remove the popes name "non una cum" in the mass on HIS altars (very grave).
- On February 28, 2018 (48-days AFTER the video you posted) Bishop Williamson just subscribed to, endorsed and wrote a preface for Fr. Chazal's recent book announcing in a public statement he is a sede-privationist and a sede-impoundist (whatever that means).
- The consequence is Bishop Williamson too believes in the sede-SAME.
- Bishop Williamson, along with the bishops he consecrated (Faure, Aquinas, Zendejas), all believe in the sede-SAME and PROMOTE the same sedevacantist beliefs, as duplicit as it is, within their groups and in the SAJM seminary. See here "Bishop Faure SAJM seminary accepts 'non una cum' sedevacantists".
- One of their friend priest's Fr. Ringrose has been hiding is sedevacantism for a few years and finally came out to embrace sedevacantism publicly. See here thecatacombs.org/thread/542/fr-ringrose-accepts-sedevacantism
So unfair to you and us, Bishop Williamson and the other three bishops are duplicit to say the least. Catholics do not follow error; not one iota! We have one Lord and one religion expressing the Blessed Trinity. These errant bishops and priests in the last six years have made every other Catholic topic controversial, upside down, and erroneous supporting their own premise before the premise of the perennial Church. Here are more duplicit and outright erroneous beliefs of Bishop Williamson, comfortable as he is, to dwell in ecumenism and trad-ecumenism: - Bishop Williamson supports the legitimacy of the novus ordo mass.
- He supports and encourages Catholics to go into the novus ordo religion.
- He supports and encourages novus ordo Catholics to STAY in the novus ordo.
- He believes the conciliar religion IS the Official church.
- He promotes the false worship of the Anglican church endorsing his followers to seek "truth" and grace within it.
- Etc...
See the compilation here "Quotes of Bp. Williamson supporting the new religion and conciliarism". Mind you, these are ALL quotes of Bishop Williamson!
So you see these bishops and forced unorganized priests have set their own table before the world separate from the providence God gave to Archbishop Lefebvre to fight for the true faith we all suffer in persecution from our own Catholics in the pew...only they and their followers try to hide the dirty ecumenical table cloth.
My question for you, as it appears you are one of his followers, is why do you not comment on the rest of Bishop Williamson's quotes relating to his desire for ecumenism and trad-ecumenism he also gives the world to see? Here also is a link providing Where is the False Resistance now?. It was made a year ago and has not been updated since. But is enough to know what direction they have gone and are STILL trekking. I invite your discussion hoping for an honest conclusion only God can be served and not men's visions and stirring revolutions. _______________________________________________ Notes: [1] “You’ve got to do what you can. God doesn’t ask the impossible. He does ask the possible. The sede-vacantist Mass is available. It’s close enough, and so - is it a devout priest? Is he a raving madman? Does he have the Faith? Sedevacantism is dangerous. But if there’s no other Mass available, I wouldn’t exclude attending it.” (Bishop Williamson, youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1jtS1VUGU - 25th September 2016, Houston, Texas) [2] “Therefore, it seems to me, if James is convinced that to save his soul he must stay in the Newchurch, I need not hammer him to get out of it. If Clare is persuaded that there is no grave problem within the Society of St. Pius X, I need not ram down her throat why there is. And if John can see no way to keep the Faith without believing that the See of Rome is vacant, I need urge upon him no more than that that belief is not obligatory.” (Bishop Williamson, Eleison Comments #348) |
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Post by S.A.G. on Mar 19, 2018 2:16:11 GMT
As it says in the video, "The problem with sedevacantism is the problem of the modern world: too much consideration of man, too little consideration of God." Bishop Williamson calls it Fatal Humanising.
Same goes for the author of this video - Fatal idolizing of Bp. Williamson. You can put all the pictures of the resistance clergy you like that tries to make them look holy....but they're not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 15:07:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 17:28:26 GMT
John, cherry picking some highlights what Bishop Williamson said in his Eleison Comments (and one sermon) without providing ALL of what he said is precisely the coy he likes to live with, and his followers like as well -- complete ambiguity. The damage control of that video, Jan 11, 2018, which reads " Bishop Williamson ABOUT sedevacantism", is NOT against sedevacantism, is noticed and sent only for propaganda to buttress him up, unfortunately. We want the Catholic bishop to speak truth clearly and unequivocally; which he is NOT doing. I have read the captions in the video, and some of those EC are very good regarding sedevacantism. Yet, if you are a EC reader as I am, the bishop adamantly mixes good comments at the SAME time with duplicit bad comments unacceptable as a Catholic. Please take the time then to read the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would say. The facts show for themselves. - Bishop Williamson states sedevacantism is wrong as a DOCTRINE.
- He says sedevacantism is wrong when someone makes it obligatory for others to live by (dogmatic sedevacantism).
That is all he says about its premise. HOWEVER, he supports sedevacantism in its practical terms: - Bishop Williamson says you can go to sedevacantist masses [1].
- He says you can BELIEVE in sedevacantism, and REMAIN in sedevacantism but do not force it on anyone [2].
- He allows and supports priests to be sedevacantist; AND, lets them remove the popes name "non una cum" in the mass on HIS altars (very grave).
- On February 28, 2018 (48-days AFTER the video you posted) Bishop Williamson just subscribed to, endorsed and wrote a preface for Fr. Chazal's recent book announcing in a public statement he is a sede-privationist and a sede-impoundist (whatever that means).
- The consequence is Bishop Williamson too believes in the sede-SAME.
- Bishop Williamson, along with the bishops he consecrated (Faure, Aquinas, Zendejas), all believe in the sede-SAME and PROMOTE the same sedevacantist beliefs, as duplicit as it is, within their groups and in the SAJM seminary. See here "Bishop Faure SAJM seminary accepts 'non una cum' sedevacantists".
- One of their friend priest's Fr. Ringrose has been hiding is sedevacantism for a few years and finally came out to embrace sedevacantism publicly. See here thecatacombs.org/thread/542/fr-ringrose-accepts-sedevacantism
Dominicans of Avrillé: “As long as sedevacantism remains at the level of personal sentiment or private opinion, there is nothing wrong with it, given the present circumstances.”
Machabees: "Where is the objective sting of the Dominican's catechism on sedevacantism when they end by opening the door?"
Taken from: thecatacombs.org/thread/427/trad-ecumenism-dominicans-avrillThis applies to Bishop Williamson also. Where is the “ sting” of his words against sedevacantism when he supports it practically? |
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Post by John on Mar 21, 2018 12:22:43 GMT
Dear friends,
We all know that Bishop Williamson mentions the name of pope Francis in the Canon of the mass. This is the undeniable proof that he is not sedevacantist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 15:04:43 GMT
Dear friends, We all know that Bishop Williamson mentions the name of pope Francis in the Canon of the mass. This is the undeniable proof that he is not sedevacantist. First, to say he is not is demonstrability false, as shown above. Bishop Williamson is showing to be a stylist for the people and not upright and constant to his Bishop's consecration before God. Second, by fact and reason you or anyone have not discounted the truth Bishop Williamson accepts sedevacantism in practice and thus in SPIRIT, what he does in contradiction to that is mute before God. This is just another manifest practice of ecumenism and trad-ecumenism Bishop Williamson holds in mind and portrays what he wants everyone to accept and follow -- a duplicity before God. Thus making it convenient for each contradicting-side to pick and choose which Bishop Williamson they want on what day. So I can see why you are upset wanting to hold one of his other contradictive-sides. But the reality is plain as the reality of Bishop Fellay in his duplicity. They both are causing a crisis and revolution in the Church; as much as their followers want to deny. Everyone knows whoever does not comply to the new ecumenism of those two bishops are held in contempt of their "authority" and are withheld sacraments. Those are facts uncomfortable as they are. They both have joined the revolution in a conspiracy against God. Clearly, we Catholics have not changed; they have. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 7:45:29 GMT
John, it is noticed you also started a conversation on CI with this very video - Bishop Williamson against sedevacantism.
It is seen your inquiry of this one video being inclusive to Bishop Williamson's de facto stand against sedevacantism is not believed over there either, by fact as one poster mentioned:
This is consistent with what we have been trying to help you with.
Was our responses and provision of Bishop Williamson's other quotes sympathizing sedevacantism helpful for you to see there is a clear intention of BW to be tolerant than doctrinal?
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