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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 3:03:20 GMT
Following the conciliar-sspx orientation, here within the neo-SSPX Canada March 2018 Bulletin, there is a photo of a young couple from Winnipeg Canada who exchanged vows in front of a modernist priest inside the modernist church of Brandon MB followed by an “extraordinary rite” Mass celebrated by Fr Vachon, sspx priest member, Canada. MBMARCH2018.pdf (956.3 KB) ![]()  ![]() |
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Post by Scarlet Pimpernel on Mar 20, 2018 5:07:44 GMT
This was a slick move on the part of Rome and Bp. Fellay for they have backed the faithful into a corner with no out.
The SSPX will be showing the faithful that they have no choice but to do what they say. For where can a SSPX couple get married if they say no to what the local bishop dictates? If they wish to stay in the SSPX there is no choice. Either it’s their way or the highway.
It’s the 1960’s all over again where the N.O. Priests told the faithful who pointed out the errors of change taking place in the local parishes, ‘Well if you don’t like it, you don’t have to come here.’
And so many did just that, they left the local parish and the Catholic faith completely. Thousands, perhaps more like millions of victories for the devil.
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2018 10:08:01 GMT
This was a slick move on the part of Rome and Bp. Fellay for they have backed the faithful into a corner with no out. The SSPX will be showing the faithful that they have no choice but to do what they say. For where can a SSPX couple get married if they say no to what the local bishop dictates? If they wish to stay in the SSPX there is no choice. Either it’s their way or the highway. It’s the 1960’s all over again where the N.O. Priests told the faithful who pointed out the errors of change taking place in the local parishes, ‘Well if you don’t like it, you don’t have to come here.’ And so many did just that, they left the local parish and the Catholic faith completely. Thousands, perhaps more like millions of victories for the devil. Watching these changes in the SSPX must be similar to how 'traditionalists' felt in the immediate aftermath of Vatican II, watching those changes. What was once good we see becoming rotten. And all done with smiles. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 14:14:23 GMT
If God is the object of the faith, why are there two different radical views of faith present in the sacrament represented before God? If the new sspx agrees it is wrong, then it must be political. If political (based on men) why mandate innocent catholics to go through their petty man politics to get a catholic sacrament for God? When, the new-sspx says they have the faith and the novus ordo does not?
If the new sspx says it is not wrong, then it comes back to bp. fellay 'legalizing' the N.O mass and its sacraments in 2012. No way around it. The new-sspx morphed into the conciliar-sspx plain and simple. The photo says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 15:11:37 GMT
... The new-sspx morphed into the conciliar-sspx plain and simple. The photo says it all. Very true. A picture is worth a thousand words. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 3:53:25 GMT
... The new-sspx morphed into the conciliar-sspx plain and simple. The photo says it all. Very true. A picture is worth a thousand words. In its proper evolution: From the stout SSPX, morphed thereafter by liberal leaders into the new-sspx, morphed consequentially into modernism = now in adulterous marriage a full body conciliar-sspx. |
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Post by einnhoj on Mar 21, 2018 6:59:50 GMT
I think it was an indult Mass - not concelebrated
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 14:41:30 GMT
I think it was an indult Mass - not concelebrated It was actually a true conciliar mass, not an indult mass, there is a difference by fact it was not done by indult rules but in the rules of the accepted "two-headed rite" of the conciliar "extraordinary mass" the conciliar-sspx gravely submits to. And in conjunction of the marriage ceremony and fiat, it was thus a truly concelebrated marriage in its vows and mass of its marriage sacrament. Whether the [other] novus ordo priest was present at the altar concelebrating the consecration is mute as the spirit was present to do so by the whole. I said "other" novus ordo priest is because the sspx priest present was HELPING with the marriage acting as a new order (novus ordo) PAX priest inside the novus ordo church, doing a novus ordo sacrament in the rules of the "extraordinary sacrament". NOT the other way around. To say it is traditional and done in the traditional faith is a farce. This is where "take us as we are" has its meaning. |
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Post by einnhoj on Mar 21, 2018 23:36:30 GMT
Thank you for that. Just to be clear are you saying that Fr. Vachon did not say a Latin Mass? Or did he somehow say a Latin Mass whilst the other priest said the Extraordinary Mass?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 1:03:18 GMT
Thank you for that. Just to be clear are you saying that Fr. Vachon did not say a Latin Mass? Or did he somehow say a Latin Mass whilst the other priest said the Extraordinary Mass? Fr. Vachon said the compromised "extraordinary mass", which is a part of the novus ordo. In context, what you may not understand is every sspx masses around the world, and all those friend communities with them, have accepted as signatories in principle and practice to be under the rule of the conciliar bi-ritual "extraordinary mass" since 2007 when the sspx administration formally accepted pope benedict's Moto Proprio. Thus, since 2007 under Bishop Fellay, the sspx no longer prays the unmolested Tridentine mass as you distinguished it between the "extraordinary mass". For the fact the "extraordinary mass" has conditions and stipulations on the priest to accept as part of its offering and intention its other novus ordo superior ecumenical "ordinary mass" is pleasing to God. (sic) Let me repeat, the Tridentine mass does not need permission from the pope for a Catholic and catholic priest to say it. The new-sspx sought on its own to put that mass inside a conciliar document, which the modernist pope manipulated, and the sspx accepted, to only make it now "legal and valid" ONLY if you accept the superior ecumenical "ordinary mass". Thus the Tridentine mass, for them, is forever called the "extraordinary mass". Which the sspx medias portray as such at different times to brainwash their followers. So the intention of the priest at his mass is one of the three necessities to validate it: Intention, Form, and Matter. the Intention of the neo-sspx masses are tainted with the SPIRIT and Intention of the new religion it draws permission from. This is why God is not pleased with a half-hearted conciliar-sspx masses. What may not have been understood then, by the wool pulled over our eyes by the Bishop Fellay administration, we know now. Which makes a legitimate RED light against their masses the same as it is a RED light against the FSSP, and indult. If God is the object of ones worship, Catholics would fight against this monster! But they don't; why? Both the ecumenical "ordinary form" and ecumenical "extraordinary form" are novus ordo controlled permitted masses. Therefore, whichever priest and entity accepts this, they are governed by the conciliar church and are novus ordo accordists. This is the reality and the game Bishop Fellay is playing with his followers. He always tries to cover over this fact...with misnomers and conflated narrations. Cor-Mariae and now TheCatacombs have been documenting these betrayals for six years. Please see the archives...its all there proving with their own words their betrayals before God. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 4:18:47 GMT
Here is the old-sspx reason to RED light the FSSP masses; and now needed to RED light in principle and practice the neo-sspx masses.
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Post by einnhoj on Mar 22, 2018 5:20:04 GMT
Thank you again. Can you bear with me a little longer? Would Father Vachon and the Novus Priest have both 'consecrated the bread and wine' together, that is, put their hands together over the chalice?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 15:33:16 GMT
Thank you again. Can you bear with me a little longer? Would Father Vachon and the Novus Priest have both 'consecrated the bread and wine' together, that is, put their hands together over the chalice?For sure, please ask us whatever questions you would like. We will try and help as we can. If your question is specific to that day in a physical manner, I do not know. Yet we know as Catholics it is coming as it did with the other traditional groups who went into the dungeon of that man religion; God is not mocked. The principle is essential. The fact it was a novus ordo sacrament and novus ordo bi-ritual mass, it had the novus ordo bi-ritual Intention of the man religion. So was it pleasing to God? No. Just as they never will...God shows and condemns in Holy Scripture when the priests mix His religion with an idol religion. Additionally, the neo-sspx priest said the mass on the novus ordo desecrated altar/table. Was the altar consecrated prior? Did they even look into it? Properly? That's the point. The neo-sspx ACCEPTED everything of the novus ordo as legitimate for themselves just like the FSSP does -- it is all interchangeable. (sic) Was there novus ordo hosts in the tabernacle distributed...? What was the Matter used? Was it traditionally legitimate (brought in) or the substance used in the sacristy of the novus ordo church...? See the problem...it goes on and on because it is a bi-ritual mass the neo-sspx accepts this and confers this. Which comes to the other point whether the other novus ordo priest stood their physically to concelebrate with the novus ordo-sspx priest? It doesn't matter, it is all the same novus ordo SPIRIT of concelebration, blaspheme and illegitimate before God. Therefore there are NO graces at those novus ordo masses as taught by the Church. I hope all this helps. It is not a matter of the exterior questions the new-sspx wants us to dwell on. It is what God thinks of what it is and what is offered to Him. In this case, the neo-sspx is a legitimate part of the novus ordo religion centered on man; not God. Hence all these abuses and fixations on the human community aspect to serve themselves. Very grave. This is EXACTLY the same as happened to the other 9-traditional communities who went into the novus ordo proud and ecumenical. The result is always the same. When one plays with mud, they get dirty. Further, the neo-sspx is participating to have a HYBRID mass of the two to be one. See here, here, here, here, here. So the SPIRIT and practicality of the nouvs ordo is deep in the neo-sspx. Also is a transcribed sermon explaining Masses that give grace and Masses that do not. cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/masses-that-give-grace-and-masses-that-do-not.4290/There is only one God: No Unity to Truth, or His unadulterated True Church, equals no Grace. The Holiness of the Church speaks through Her saints... “The current problem of the Mass is an extremely serious problem for the Holy Church. I believe that if the dioceses and seminaries and works that are currently done are struck with sterility, it is because the recent deviations drew upon us the divine curse. All the efforts that are made to hang on to what is being lost, to reorganize, reconstruct, rebuild, all that is struck with sterility, because we no longer have the true source of holiness which is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Profaned as it is, it no longer gives grace, it no longer makes grace pass.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, August 1972, priestly retreat; can be found in A Bishop Speaks)
"If anyone without the right faith receives Baptism outside the Church, he does not receive it unto salvation ... From the comparison of the Church to Paradise, we learn that men can receive her Baptism even outside her fold, but that out there no one can receive or keep the salvation of the blessed."- St. Thomas Aquinas "Baptism does not profit a man outside unity with the Church ... For many heretics also possess this Sacrament but not the fruits of salvation ... The benefits which flow from Baptism are necessarily fruits which belong to the true Church alone. Children Baptized in other communions cease to be members of the Church when, after reaching the age of reason, they make formal profession of heresy, as, for example, by receiving communion in a non-Catholic Church."- St. Augustine "In like manner, everyone who has received from God the power of distinguishing and yet follows an unskillful pastor and receives a false opinion for the truth shall be punished ... Be not deceived: if any man follows him who separates from the truth, he shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and if any man does not stand aloof from the preacher of falsehood he shall be condemned to Hell."- St. Ignatius of Antioch "The Church is built on the rock of Peter, and he who eats the Lamb outside this holy dwelling is reprobate .. .He who eats the Lamb outside this Apostolic See has no part with God!"- Bl. Pope Pius IX |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 17:48:32 GMT
What do the terms "Ordinary Form" and "Extraordinary Form" mean?For a long time, people referred to the new liturgy (or the Missal of 1970) as the "new rite" and the older liturgy (the most recent version of which is the Missal of 1962) as the "old rite." In his July 7, 2007 letter to bishops, Pope Benedict XVI said that we should instead think of these Missals as being two forms of a single Roman rite, rather than as two separate rites. Thus he prefers that instead of "new rite" and "old rite," we say "Ordinary Form" (his name for the Missal of 1970, or Novus Ordo Missae) and "Extraordinary Form" (the Missal of 1962, or the traditional Latin Mass).Why did the Pope do this? As for the motu proprio . . . a precise, twofold intention emerges. First of all, there is the intention of making it easier to reach "a reconciliation in the bosom of the Church"; and in this sense, as has been said, the motu proprio is a beautiful act of love for the unity of the Church. In the second place—and this fact must not be forgotten—its aim is that of fostering a mutual enrichment between the two forms of the Roman rite: in such a way, for example, that in the celebration according to the missal of Paul VI (the ordinary form of the Roman rite) will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage. -(Msgr. Guido Marini, Master of Pontifical Ceremonies, Interview with L’Osservatore Romano, June 28, 2008) What is the aim of this maneuver from the [modernist] Pope and the Ecclesia Dei?It is all layed out here - The aims of the Ecclesia Dei: to Destroy Catholic Tradition
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 20:15:39 GMT
Another photo. Fr. Vachon can be seen looking on while the novus ordo priest administers the marriage sacrament. I agree what is said, this is a real bi-ritual sacrament.  |
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