What happened to OLSC and Cor-Mariae?

 MM, or jmj, or nightowl,  I see you are trolling all over the place dropping bird stuff with no meaning but to fertilize plants.  Perceptions are not facts. I understand you want to separated the SSPX-mc priests to get them out of the way from your bias of Bishop Williamson, and separate them from anything ABL, and separate them from anything Catholic, and anything Catholic Church.  I see it. Your a divisionist.

The problem on your latest crystal ball is when catholic priests are "kicked out" as you say, they have a canonical right to appeal it.  They asked and were denied by Bishop Fellay and their other superiors.  Just the same as the modernists did to ABL in 1975 trying to illegally suppress him and the Society of St. Pius X.  ABL sought appeal and they denied him.  He smiled and continued as the Church prescribes.  Same here.  The SSPX-mc priests continue the SSPX in their ordination, promises, statues, and constitution.

We understand the false resistance doesn't like it.  It is a throne for wanton progressiveness.

MM,

I'm not sure what you are referring to here. It would seem you are trying to address multiple issues?

To your last sentence, you posted that same thought elsewhere and I asked you then to please elaborate or support your comments but that was never done. And those same unsupported comments are now imported here as well but again there is no context. For the sake of charity for the other forum members and guests, please try to stay on topic and help us to understand where you are going with these comments.

Charity forces us...    

It is in charity that once again we must address some of the erroneous statements made on the Cor Mariae site recently. It is always with great sadness that we must to do so. But an imperfect understanding of the crisis of the Faith and especially of the work and words of Archbishop Lefebvre are once again manifesting themselves and being publicly disseminated on that site. Hence our response here.

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The following post was made today, August 23rd:

POINT NUMBER ONE: "No religious organisation or parish can be be set up without recourse to the Pope granting jurisdiction through a Bishop of a diocese."

This is true. In the normal times of the Church, no bishop nor priest can set up jurisdiction for himself. The bishop must be ordered by the pope to function in a certain diocese and the priests are ordered by their bishop to function in a certain diocesan parish.

But what about in the times of crisis? Can a priest or bishop function within someone else's diocese and still remain true to the Faith?  Our Catholic Church History has shown this to be possible many times. Recall the times of the Arian crisis - where more than 80% of the priests and bishops were heretical Arians:

St. Athanasius reminds his faithful [during that same Arian crisis] that the actual exterior diocesan buildings don't make the Church:

St.Basil of Cappodocia writes the same during the same Arian crisis - 372A.D. :

Being driven from the exterior buildings of the Catholic Church when it is under assault is nothing new for Catholics. We have not even mentioned here the other crises of the Church, the Protestant crisis especially in England where the Churches were all taken over, and the Church in Ireland - also persecuted as a result of the Protestant Revolution. Ireland has several famous 'Mass Rocks' where outdoor Masses were said by traveling priests to bring the sacraments to the Faithful.

   

From the earliest days, the Church has shown Her motherly love and made provision for when Her children are under attack. It is known as operating in a State of Necessity. The Church in the time of the Arians was in a State of Necessity. The Church in the time of the English Reformation was in a State of Necessity. This has been amply proven and shown here on The Catacombs, quoting Catholic sources, and not private opinion [something terribly lacking in the arguments made on Cor Mariae]. 

Let us look now at more recent times. Let us look at Archbishop Lefebvre. Archbishop Lefebvre, as a matter of historical fact, legally and canonically founded the Society of St. Pius X, with its primary goal of forming priests. [What were these priests supposed to do, according to Cor Mariae once they were ordained?] The SSPX under the Archbishop responded to the calls of the faithful all over the world and brought the Mass and the sacraments  to souls that requested them from traditional, doctrinally sound priests. The SSPX did not set up any parishes. With the large swath of laity responding to their priestly ministry, they set up priorys for the larger collections of faithful and continued to send priests out to the areas with fewer faithful on a continual basis. To be an SSPX priests always meant a lot of travel, animated with true missionary spirit.

That we are in another time of crisis in the Church few will deny. So the SSPX  since its inception [before its reorientation in 2012 to 'reconcile' with the unconverted Conciliar authorities in Rome] has done what the Church has always done, as commanded by Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself,

The priests cannot disobey God to obey men. The priests must preach the gospel, in season and out of season:

If the Conciliar authorities try to silence the gospel, those good traditional priests have no choice but to obey God rather than men:

There is no setting up of formal parishes by anyone, least of all the priests of OLMC. They continue the work of Archbishop Lefebvre and the Holy Catholic Church and preach the gospel from the pulpit, or in the airport, or anywhere else souls come to them seeking the Truth.  Holy Scripture tells us again, ""No man lighteth a candle, and putteth it in a hidden place, nor under a bushel; but upon a candlestick, that they that come in, may see the light." -Luke 11:33. We know that Our Lord is the Light of the World. The priests and the bishops have a duty to preach Our Lord Jesus Christ Crucified.

It really makes one wonder what role exactly do the folks at Cor Mariae envision for the priests, since they clearly know more than the priests on how to act. If the priests didn't travel and bring the sacraments as the OLMC and many other traditional independent priests have done since Vatican II, what exactly are they supposed to do? Follow the poor advice of Bishop Williamson and 'hunker down' and not attempt to convert souls from error because:

Their position remains unclear except that they have a newly-found strong dislike for Fr. Pfeiffer in particular and take every opportunity to lash out at him publicly. But in doing so, they expose their own lack of understanding of the role of the priests and bishops during times of crisis in the Church. The beginning statements are proof of this. Yes, we all know that in normal times, no one besides the pope or bishops can create new dioceses or parishes. But the conflation and dishonesty starts when the rules during normal times are applied to abnormal times and circumstances. And the priests are judged and then condemned for adjusting for the abnormalities.

POINT NUMBER TWO: " The reason the thread is locked is because no personal opinion can change this fact [that only the pope has jurisdiction to set up a parish]. No individual has any authority whatsoever. "

We unfortunately see here the same controlled narrative continuing on Cor Mariae. We see more conflation. With no one allowed to correct or address these errors there.

As we just mentioned above, of course in normal times, no one can interfere in the jurisdiction that belongs to the dioceses. No one is contesting that. What has been said ad nauseam since Vatican II, from Fr. Calmel to Fr. Hesse to Fr. Gommar de Paw to Archbishop Lefebvre - is that the priests who are faithful to the Church and to Tradition have a duty to act and defend that Church from all attacks, either from without or from within. It is a duty to bring the Mass and the sacraments to the faithful. The Church as a duty to organize herself when attacked. Hence Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops to carry on the priesthood and the Sacrament of Confirmation. All throughout his writings he is clear he is only continuing what the Catholic bishops have done for centuries. And the priests formed under him continue his work, the work of Tradition.

Cor Mariae has made it abundantly clear that they are a few souls who want to be autonomous. They insist upon no priestly authority over them.

Well, all one can say to that is: Be careful what you wish for!

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[Cor Mariae has been repeating this erroneous application of how the priests function during times of crisis many times over these last months, up to and including their most recent newsletter's editorial:

"...Catholics need to be beware of the dangers associated with trusting a singular 'traditional' priest or traditional groups of priests setting up their own 'parishes'. God knew what he was doing when he created the Chair of Peter to keep the priesthood united under the Pope." It was this continued repetition of that error that prompted us to sadly have to address this yet again.]