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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 3:06:45 GMT
More confirmation for Bishop Moran. In a sermon on Nov. 11, 2018 Fr. Hewko openly DECLARED Bishop Moran to be an authentic Catholic, a Catholic priest (receiving also a conditional ordination by Cardinal Slipyj), and consecrated a bishop in Chicago by eight consecrating bishops (in addition to a possible conditional ? consecration by Cardinal Slipyj).
Around 45:00
Fr. Hewko said he believes in the present evidence Bishop Moran is a legitimate bishop, but personally would like to receive clear confirmation on the secret consecration by Cardinal Slipyj. He and Fr. Pancras asked Fr. Pfeiffer to clearly explain to the world all of the history and questions regarding Bishop Moran to relieve the consternation and confusion in the faithful. Fr. Pfeiffer did four days later on Nov. 15, 2018 in the presence of all the seminarians and three priests laying out the historic evidence pertaining to Bishop Moran.
Fr. Hewko relayed Fr. Pfeiffer is waiting for a document that will help tremendously proving the second conditional consecration by Cardinal Slipyj.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 3:31:12 GMT
"Fr. Pfeiffer moved on in the conference to discuss Bp. Moran's episcopal consecration in the Holy Protection Cathedral in Chicago in 1976. This document was found by Ecclesia Militans in the cathedral's archives [which EM gave to Fr. Pfeiffer in 2015]:"I did not receive the Orthodox episcopal consecration certificate from the Cathedral's archives. I received it from Archbishop Gregory of the Genuine Orthodox Church of America. Archbishop Gregory received it from Ambrose Moran who presented it as evidence that he was consecrated an Orthodox bishop. This past summer (of 2018) I inquired again at the Holy Protection Cathedral about the authenticity of the document and was told that they have no record of this document or of the consecration taking place. If you are interested in finding out for yourself, contact Tatiana Chevchenko at: Pokrovachurch@gmail.com. But you had this to say about the consecration certificate on your website back in November 2015: “ I contacted the Holy Protection Cathedral to verify the authenticity of this certificate. On Friday October 23, 2015 I received confirmation from the Cathedral that this certificate was indeed authentic. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer was made aware of this confirmation. He then verified it himself on Tuesday October 27, 2015 when he made a visit to the Cathedral.” www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/01/concerning-bishop-ambrose-morans-episcopal-consecration/ Yes. I wrote that. It was based on communications with a Fr. Kris Pitirim, an Orthodox priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. His English was poor, but what I wrote is what I understood. However, I made a second inquiry this year and the result was different. Tatiana Chevchenko informed me that the Cathedral does not have records from that time period. I cannot resolve the discrepancy between the two inquiries at this time.
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Post by Initiation on Nov 21, 2018 3:41:23 GMT
More confirmation for Bishop Moran. In a sermon on Nov. 11, 2018 Fr. Hewko openly DECLARED Bishop Moran to be an authentic Catholic, a Catholic priest (receiving also a conditional ordination by Cardinal Slipyj), and consecrated a bishop in Chicago by eight consecrating bishops (in addition to a possible conditional ? consecration by Cardinal Slipyj).
Around 45:00
Fr. Hewko said he believes in the present evidence Bishop Moran is a legitimate bishop, but personally would like to receive clear confirmation on the secret consecration by Cardinal Slipyj. He and Fr. Pancras asked Fr. Pfeiffer to clearly explain to the world all of the history and questions regarding Bishop Moran to relieve the consternation and confusion in the faithful. Fr. Pfeiffer did four days later on Nov. 15, 2018 in the presence of all the seminarians and three priests laying out the historic evidence pertaining to Bishop Moran.
Fr. Hewko relayed Fr. Pfeiffer is waiting for a document that will help tremendously proving the second conditional consecration by Cardinal Slipyj.
Just wanted to point out that Father Pfeiffer did that conference on November 8th as it states in the title on 469fitter. We must not forget to pray to God and Mother Mary for God's will to be done above all else and for Him to show the truth as clear as day, to show us what He wants, as Father Hewko also said in the sermon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 3:47:01 GMT
But you had this to say about the consecration certificate on your website back in November 2015: “ I contacted the Holy Protection Cathedral to verify the authenticity of this certificate. On Friday October 23, 2015 I received confirmation from the Cathedral that this certificate was indeed authentic. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer was made aware of this confirmation. He then verified it himself on Tuesday October 27, 2015 when he made a visit to the Cathedral.” www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/01/concerning-bishop-ambrose-morans-episcopal-consecration/ Yes. I wrote that. It was based on communications with a Fr. Kris Pitirim, an Orthodox priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. His English was poor, but what I wrote is what I understood. However, I made a second inquiry this year and the result was different. Tatiana Chevchenko informed me that the Cathedral does not have records from that time period. I cannot resolve the discrepancy between the two inquiries at this time. And Fr. Pfeiffer provided in his two conferences there was a turf war in the cathedral between factions. Whoever was in control at the time controlled the information.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 3:48:59 GMT
1) Ambrose Moran claims he was consecrated in 1976 by Cardinal Slipyj, Bishop Borecky, and Bishop Dimitri: ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ambrose0022.jpg 2) Ambrose Moran claims Bishop Borecky wrote him a letter dated August 26, 1976 (shortly after the alleged consecration) that he, Ambrose Moran, was appointed the successor to Cardinal Slipyj: ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ambrose0021.jpg 3) The following letter dated June 30, 1980 was written by William Moran to Bishop Borecky: www.ecclesiamilitans.com/Letter_Fr._Moran_June_30_1980.pdfThis letter was obtained from Fr. Bohdan Bilinksy of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto who found it in the archives of the eparchy: www.ucet.ca/chancery_193.htmIn this letter: a) William Moran addresses himself as a priest (Fr. Moran) and not as a Bishop. b) William Moran requests a reference letter from Bishop Borecky, one of the bishops that Ambrose Moran claims consecrated him, to join a schismatic Orthodox sect (Orthodox Church of America), so that he may finally be canonically regularized. Note: The letter is point #2 above was not found in the Eparchy of Toronto archives. 4) Orthodox priest, Fr. Tosi, confirms that William Moran applied to the Orthodox Church of America as an archimandrite (honorary title for Eastern Catholic and Orthodox priests) but was not accepted: www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/07/31/the-june-30-1980-letter-of-william-moran-to-bishop-borecky/oca.org/about/chancery-staff
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 13:33:13 GMT
But you had this to say about the consecration certificate on your website back in November 2015: “ I contacted the Holy Protection Cathedral to verify the authenticity of this certificate. On Friday October 23, 2015 I received confirmation from the Cathedral that this certificate was indeed authentic. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer was made aware of this confirmation. He then verified it himself on Tuesday October 27, 2015 when he made a visit to the Cathedral.” www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/01/concerning-bishop-ambrose-morans-episcopal-consecration/ Yes. I wrote that. It was based on communications with a Fr. Kris Pitirim, an Orthodox priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. His English was poor, but what I wrote is what I understood. However, I made a second inquiry this year and the result was different. Tatiana Chevchenko informed me that the Cathedral does not have records from that time period. I cannot resolve the discrepancy between the two inquiries at this time. You say, “ His English was poor, but what I wrote is what I understood.” However, you must have heard correctly because you said that it was verified when Fr. Pfeiffer visited the Cathedral four days later. Ecclesia Militans:
“ I contacted the Holy Protection Cathedral to verify the authenticity of this certificate. On Friday October 23, 2015 I received confirmation from the Cathedral that this certificate was indeed authentic. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer was made aware of this confirmation. He then verified it himself on Tuesday October 27, 2015 when he made a visit to the Cathedral.”
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Post by Admin on Nov 21, 2018 15:10:52 GMT
Yes. I wrote that. It was based on communications with a Fr. Kris Pitirim, an Orthodox priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. His English was poor, but what I wrote is what I understood. However, I made a second inquiry this year and the result was different. Tatiana Chevchenko informed me that the Cathedral does not have records from that time period. I cannot resolve the discrepancy between the two inquiries at this time. And Fr. Pfeiffer provided in his two conferences there was a turf war in the cathedral between factions. Whoever was in control at the time controlled the information. This 'turf war' doesn't appear in the online annals of this group. Not to say it didn't happen but I believe Fr. mentioned it had been going on since 1942 till the 1970's or 1980's? Thats a long time. It should be popping up somewhere. If anyone can find it online, please share here. If I remember correctly, Father mentioned it as something that was verbally related to him? I started to listen again to the conference but didn't get to that particular point again, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Deus Vult on Nov 21, 2018 22:11:41 GMT
Remy let's consider ALL of Fr. Hewko's words on this topic. Fr. Hewko states he is still not satisfied and waiting for that big evidence.
@ 55:50 I'm one of the biggest opposers to Bp. Ambrose in this scene. I am not all for it and I'm going very slow. I want to see clearly that this is truly the hand of God behind this. That he truly teaches the faith and he's not some fly by night garage bishop. You know, I'm kind of the biggest, loudest mouth at Boston, KY against this. But I am not closed to the will of God being manifest. f this is His will, let it be clearly seen. And how will we know it that he's clearly a priest, clearly a Catholic Bishop and clearly teaches the Catholic faith? Now I've heard a few of his sermons and they're right on. He condemns Vatican II, the New Mass, he talks about the freemasonic infiltration of the Catholic Church, which is true. He praises Archbp Lefebvre. He preaches the faith the way it's supposed to be preached, at least in the sermons I heard. So I'm not jumping on this either. If it's of God I don't want to say to God I closed the door to you. And if it's not of God I'm begging the good Lord and the Blessed Mother make it clear that this is not to be the path to go. We're in a time, it reminds me of the time of the consecrations of the Bishops in 1988. He put out a pelogias,(sp ??) he put out explanations for why he would have to do this.
This is what Fr. Pancras suggested to Fr. Pfeiffer- put out to the public a clear explanation of his history, of his ordinations, and his consecrations. Fr. Pfeiffer says we're still waiting for one more document to seal the objective evidence that he was consecrated a bishop in Rome by Cardinal Slipyj. There's already a lot of evidence for it but we need one more big evidence according to Fr. Pfeiffer to seal it. If that evidence shows up, which most likely is in the Cathedral in Chicago, if that comes up then it probably could be a clear sign that you have here a Bishop in the line of Cardinal Slipyj, which goes right back to St. Peter, in the Apostolic succession. So he would be truly a bishop, truly a priest, although of the Catholic Eastern rite, who professes the faith and condemns the modern errors of Vatican II and the new Mass. That's what we're looking for. That's what we hope to find because the Bishops of Archbp. Lefebvre they're not doing this any more. They're making excuses for the new Mass to give grace. They're making excuses for making canonical solution with modernist Rome without Rome's conversion to tradition.
So we're in a rock and a hard place, all of us, so we can wait also. I've told Fr. Pfeiffer, look we're not in a rush for ordinations. We have 3 more years before we really need ordinations. But I ask you and I speak openly. I've been attacked for doing this for just opening up this question to the faithful, but I don't think we should be hiding anything either. This is something we are all involved. We all want to see the Catholic faith restored in Rome. .......
@ 1:00:14 What is God's will in this? I'm on my knees at this Mass begging His light also. Join me also asking Our Lady show us thy will. Show us if Bp. Ambrose is truly what God wants. Make it very clear with no shadow of doubts that this is what you want. That's what we need to ask. And if he's not your will oh Blessed Mother, make it clear he's not to be the one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 17:33:41 GMT
Yes. I wrote that. It was based on communications with a Fr. Kris Pitirim, an Orthodox priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. His English was poor, but what I wrote is what I understood. However, I made a second inquiry this year and the result was different. Tatiana Chevchenko informed me that the Cathedral does not have records from that time period. I cannot resolve the discrepancy between the two inquiries at this time. You say, “ His English was poor, but what I wrote is what I understood.” However, you must have heard correctly because you said that it was verified when Fr. Pfeiffer visited the Cathedral four days later. Ecclesia Militans:
“ I contacted the Holy Protection Cathedral to verify the authenticity of this certificate. On Friday October 23, 2015 I received confirmation from the Cathedral that this certificate was indeed authentic. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer was made aware of this confirmation. He then verified it himself on Tuesday October 27, 2015 when he made a visit to the Cathedral.” Yes. I wrote what I understood to be the case. I was not with Fr. Pfeiffer when he visited the Cathedral so I am not a first hand witness to it. My second inquiry produced a different result. Anyways to say that either the main consecrating bishop or any of the co-consecrating bishops at the Holy Protection Cathedral, assuming that the ceremony took place, were Catholic is unfounded. I have opposed it 2015 and I oppose it now. Here is part of what I posted on Nov. 23, 2015: In addition to what is presented above, I have communicated with three high ranking clerics of two branches of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church regarding whether Bishop Hryhorij and the Holy Protection Cathedral were ever Catholic.
1. Cleric of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the United States of America
Here are some of the comments this cleric made to me over various e-mails:
“There was never such a creature as a ‘Catholic version of the UAOC’…..it is plain silliness…..”
“Hryhorij NEVER became Catholic at any time. I’ve been around for 44 years in my church and Ukrainian community and believe me I would have heard about such a matter…..It is silliness. If some thinks he or she can prove me wrong with complete and irrefutable documentation, let him try. “
2. Cleric #1 of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, Kyvian Patriarchate, in the United States and Canada
This is the same cleric Fr. Pfeiffer visited at the Holy Protection Cathedral in Chicago, Illinois on October 27, 2015. I had a few phone conversations with him regarding Bishop Ambrose Moran. He confirmed to me that the consecration of Bishop Ambrose Moran did indeed take place at the Holy Protection Cathedral. Prior to giving me confirmation, he contacted Bishop Ambrose Moran directly via phone to ask him some questions in order to prove his identity and was satisfied with the answers. My last phone conversation with this cleric was on October 31, 2015. I specifically asked him on this occasion whether Bishop Hryhorij and the Holy Protection Cathedral were ever Catholic; he responded in the negative.
3. Cleric #2 of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, Kyvian Patriarchate, in the United States and Canada – Fr. Victor Poliarny, Secretary of the Vicariate
Fr. Poliarny is currently the highest ranking cleric of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-KP within the United States and Canada and as such has jurisdiction over Cleric #1 of the KP and the Holy Protection Cathedral. He reports to the KP’s patriarch, Filaret. He moved to Chicago in 1959. He knew Bishop Hryhorij. Fr. Poliarny has given me permission to use his name publicly. I spoke to him over the phone on November 13, 2015. Fr. Poliarny adamantly denied the claims that Bishop Hryhoriy ever became Catholic and that the Holy Protection Cathedral was ever under the control of the Catholic Church. He said that they were both always Orthodox.
www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/23/ambrose-moran-is-he-really-a-catholic-bishop/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 0:22:27 GMT
By the way, the above letter that you provided in the link indicates that Bp. Ambrose was, in fact, incardinated into the Eparchy of Toronto.
A cleric who is incardinated is under the jurisdiction of a particular bishop. Bishop Ambrose states that he was under the jurisdiction of Bishop Borecky in the letter: “a short note from Your Grace would be very helpful as I was under your jurisdiction for two years, February 14, 1975 to February 14, 1977, with permission to reside in the United States for the purpose of continuing graduate studies (letter No. 2/75 c., dated Feb. 14, 1975)”
Explanations of “incardination:”
Q. 1. What does "Cleric incardination" means? A. 1. In the Roman Catholic Church, "cleric incardination" refers to the situation of a member of the clergy (priest) who is placed under the jurisdiction of a particular Bishop or other ecclesiastical superior such as the superior of a religious Order. www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu720.htm "Incardination and Excardination: In the ecclesiastical sense the words are used to denote that a given person is freed from the jurisdiction of one bishop and is transferred to that of another” www.newadvent.org/cathen/07704a.htm
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 14:08:16 GMT
Full transcript Fr. Hewko’s sermon 46:00 to 1:02:32
“There’s no question of going schismatic and now with the hot question of bishop ambrose. Bishop ambrose has been reintroduced into the scene with Fr. Pfeiffer’s decision to have bishop ambrose conditionally ordain Fr. Possion. So he is back in the picture bishop ambrose and we Fr. Pfeiffer and I have no intention of ever going schismatic. God forbid we would rather die. Because schismatics deny the primacy of peter. They deny that the holy ghost proceeds from the father and the son they deny all the councils after the first seven councils and there are a lot of things wrong with them. They tolerate married clergy which rome has never done except rome has in tradition tolerated married clergy for catholic eastern rites but it is a toleration. She doesn’t want it for the rite of the roman catholic church. So there’s no question of schismatic here. But I can say Fr. Pfeiffer he truthfully, and I can understand his angle, he truthfully says like he said himself when people drown in a flood, they were on a roof and boat came by the first time and said hop on in and they said no we are praying for God to free us, and another boat came by and said hop on in we will rescue you, no, I am waiting for God to give us a sign and free us, and a third boat came by and they ended up drowning. So when they asked God why didn’t you free us the good Lord said well I sent you three boats already. So Fr. Pfeiffer is going very slow with this. And I think he is being wise about it I think so in this sense, that with bishop ambrose is this a bishop of the catholic church, is he truly consecrated a bishop, is he truly ordained a priest, does he really have the catholic faith, and is he a baptized catholic and was he raised a catholic.
Fr. Pfeiffer is going deep into this because he doesn’t want to say to God we do not accept this bishop when maybe this is the one God is sending. So Fr. Pfeiffer is weighing this out. And I myself as I said publicly before I have my hesitations and I have my objections. But Fr. Pfeiffer is doing a very thorough inspection of the whole case in the line of Tradition, in the line of Code of Canon law. And what he has found so far is YES he is a baptized catholic, he was raised catholic, and he was truly ordained a catholic priest. Actually he was ordained a catholic priest twice. One in New York long Island by Bishop Luinsky (sp?) but another time by Cardinal Slipyj he claims, who didn’t trust any ordinations but his own. Because he saw, cardinal Slipyj, he saw modernism already eating at rome. So cardinal Slipyj according to bishop Ambrose ordained him again just in case so it was a conditional ordination. Then according to him he consecrated him a bishop. And we do have record from the very church in Chicago of the eight bishops who also consecrated him in Chicago. At the time, this is where it gets really, this is where I know Fr. Pfeiffer at some point is going to give a clear history of all of this. That’s why there’s so much smoke about it because there’s contradiction that seems like there’s contradictions in the story. It seems like there’s, doesn’t hold together sometimes. Now Fr. Pfeiffer got the whole, he heard it from Bishop Ambrose’s own mouth. He’s got the whole story. He has cross questioned him about some of these things that seem a contradiction and according to Bishop Ambrose they are easily resolved. And what’s interesting is that early on 2 or 3 years ago Fr. Pfeiffer asked Tony Larossa to look into this. Find some documents. Find whatever you could on this and tony actually found from these churches in rome and in Chicago and in other places certificates that just CONFIRM Bishop Ambrose’s own story. And that’s why, I do not intend to go into debate or anything but, that’s why it’s quite dishonest in a way on Tony Larossa’s side of things because he has never talked to Bishop Ambrose to hear his story and when you accuse someone publicly, you at least should hear his own defense, right. So that’s something Tony is going to have to resolve before God and before his website. But Fr. Pfeiffer has given a fair hearing to Bishop Ambrose. And I think Fr. Pfeiffer is, he is frustrating many people because he hasn’t resolved all this yet publicly. He treated it several times and he settled a few questions but I think he really needs to tell his own story and show how everything actually falls together. The bottom line is, is Bishop Ambrose willed by God. Is he one God is pointing to us when the Society bishops have abandoned the posts. Is this what God wants. So for Fr. Pfeiffer he says if he is truly a baptized catholic, WHICH HE IS, if he is truly ordained a catholic priest, and not a schismatic priest, a catholic priest a roman catholic and if he is truly a consecrated bishop whether it be of the eastern rite with cardinal Slipyj and the eight bishops of Chicago who were at the time being brought into communion with rome catholic, under cardinal Slipyj he made a huge effort to bring all these bishops who were truly schismatic into the catholic church. That’s what cardinal Slipyj was trying to do. And that’s where you get the confusion of the schismatic orthodox involved. But at the time they were not when he was consecrated by the eight bishops in Chicago. But regardless HE IS TRULY A CONSECRATED BISHOP. And I guess the only small question is was he really consecrated by Cardinal Slipyj in rome because he did many secret consecrations without anybody knowing and he was mad at rome because rome was betraying the catholic Ukrainians to communism. Cardinal Slipyj had been 17 or 18 years in the gulag and they offered him the position Patriarch of Kiev if he would just deny the pope the papacy. And they killed they shot seven priests in front of his eyes if he would not accept the orthodox schismatic Russian orthodox church. He refused. He stayed faithful to the pope of rome. So there’s no question of here going schismatic. And that’s why hopefully all this stuff will settle soon and in my mind as well. I am asking the Holy ghost and the virgin mary we are all in this fight.
But we can’t turn to bishop Williamson, we can’t turn to his bishops they really reject, because we oppose the errors of the teachings on the new mass and the errors of the fake resistance bending over backwards to justify Vatican II. So Fr. Pfeiffer is not jumping into conclusions but pray for him. Pray for us. Pray for our seminarians. Pray that if bishop Ambrose is truly the one that God wants to give ordinations he will never have jurisdiction that’s not a question that’s not a question. Because only the pope can give jurisdiction. And that’s why Archbishop Lefebvre said when he consecrated the four bishops they are four bishops that don’t have jurisdiction but they will confirm the faithful and ordain priests. That’s it and preach the faith until rome comes back to tradition. So that would be the relationship if bishop ambrose is proven to be truly what he says he is and professes the catholic faith. Now I have heard a few of his sermons because I‘m kind of one of the biggest opposer's to bishop ambrose in this scene. I am not all for it and I am going very slow and I want to see clearly that this is truly the hand of God behind this and that he truly teaches the faith and he is not some fly by night garage bishop. So I am kind of the biggest loudest mouth at boston Kentucky against this. But I am not closed to the will of God being manifest if this is his will let it be clearly seen. And how will we know it that he is clearly a priest clearly a catholic bishop and clearly teaches the catholic faith. Now I have heard a few of his sermons and they are right on. He condemns Vatican II the new mass he talks about the free masonic infiltration of the catholic church which is true he praises archbishop Lefebvre he preaches the faith the way it is supposed to be preached at least the sermons that I heard. So I am not jumping on this either. If it is of God I do not want to say to God I closed the door to you and if it is not of God I’m begging the good lord and the blessed mother make it clear that this is not to be the path to go. So we are in a time this reminds me of the time of the consecrations of the bishops in 1988 when archbishop Lefebvre had to consecrate the four bishops but he put out apologias he put out explanations for why he had to do this. And this is what Fr. Pancras suggested to Fr. Pfeiffer put out to the public a clear explanation of his history of his ordinations and his consecrations and Fr. Pfeiffer said he is waiting for one more document to seal the objective evidence that he was consecrated a bishop in rome by Cardinal Slipyj. And there is already a lot of evidence for it but we need one more big evidence according to Fr. Pfeiffer to seal it. And if that evidence shows up which most likely is in the cathedral in Chicago if that comes up it probably could be a clear sign that you have here a bishop in the line of cardinal Slipyj which goes right back to st. peter the whole lineage apostolic succession. So he would be truly a bishop truly a priest although of the catholic eastern right and who professes the faith and condemns the modern errors of Vatican II and the new mass. That’s what we are looking for. That’s what we hope to find. Because the bishops of Archbishop Lefebvre are not doing this anymore. They’re making excuses for the new mass to give grace they’re making excuses for making a canonical solution with modernist rome without rome’s conversion to catholic tradition. So we are in a rock and a hard place. All of us. So we can wait also I told Fr. Pfeiffer we are not in a rush for ordinations we have three more years for we really need ordinations. So we are not in any rush. But I as you and I speak openly and I have been attacked for doing this for opening up this question to the faithful but I don’t think we should be hiding anything either this is something we are all involved we all want to see the catholic faith restored in rome. We want to see the conversion of rome. We want to see the triumph of our Lady’s immaculate heart. We want to see priests continuing the work of archbishop Lefebvre and catholic tradition. And not modernism falling for evolution and all that garbage. So our seminary has been blessed with many crosses and tears and thorns that’s for sure and blessed with good vocations. So what is God’s will in this I’m on my knees before God at this mass begging for his light also. Join me also asking our lady show us thy will. Show us. If bishop ambrose is truly what God wants make it very clear with no shadow of doubts that this is what you want. And that is what we need to ask and if he is not your will o’ blessed mother make it clear he is not to be the one. But then maybe if it is not then she has to convert back one of our bishop consecrated by archbishop Lefebvre. So I do not know what God is going to do. But that is where we are at right now and it is kind of hotly debated but what we want and I know that is all Fr. Pfeiffer wants also. Cause he is a good priest and he is a good fighter and he is been strong in truth and doctrine all these years. And I know he is not jumping into this fool heartedly. He is weighing this and he’s praying over it as well. We are both begging our blessed mother show us. Show us. What is God’s will in this. So pray I beg you that all this truly comes to light and no showdown of doubt and that God’s will be manifested. Because if we turn to bishop Williamson he closes the door. I don’t know why he is treating us this way but he himself doesn’t believe in the resistance he doesn’t believe he mocks it really. Why? Why? Why would he do this and not lead and take care of the sheep all over the world the way a good shepherd should. So I don’t know I can’t answer for him. But I do pray for him and I do love bishop Williamson he’s our father in the seminary and our priesthood. So pray for him as well just to come back to the line of archbishop Lefebvre that’s it. It is so clear. He was such a good shepherd.
O’Mary conceived without sin pray for us.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2018 14:56:08 GMT
Thank you, Remy, for the longer transcript.
While the emphasized points you highlighted were clearly prefaced by Fr. Hewko, it was his summation and conclusion of this situation that were the most thought-provoking:
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Post by Deus Vult on Nov 23, 2018 15:14:18 GMT
Thanks Remy for the transcription. More transcribers of the sermons are most welcome.
My point simply was to bring attention to the words of Fr. Hewko that you left out when you first quoted him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 17:27:53 GMT
By the way, the above letter that you provided in the link indicates that Bp. Ambrose was, in fact, incardinated into the Eparchy of Toronto.
A cleric who is incardinated is under the jurisdiction of a particular bishop. Bishop Ambrose states that he was under the jurisdiction of Bishop Borecky in the letter: “a short note from Your Grace would be very helpful as I was under your jurisdiction for two years, February 14, 1975 to February 14, 1977, with permission to reside in the United States for the purpose of continuing graduate studies (letter No. 2/75 c., dated Feb. 14, 1975)”
Explanations of “incardination:”
Q. 1. What does "Cleric incardination" means? A. 1. In the Roman Catholic Church, "cleric incardination" refers to the situation of a member of the clergy (priest) who is placed under the jurisdiction of a particular Bishop or other ecclesiastical superior such as the superior of a religious Order. www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu720.htm "Incardination and Excardination: In the ecclesiastical sense the words are used to denote that a given person is freed from the jurisdiction of one bishop and is transferred to that of another” www.newadvent.org/cathen/07704a.htm1) "After this time (after two years), a review of your record will be made, and the possibility of incardination will be discussed." www.ecclesiamilitans.com/Letter_Bishop_Borecky_Feb_14_1975.pdf2) "I do, hereby, declare that (Priest, Bishop, Archbishop) Moran IS NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN incardinated into the Eparchy of Toronto and Eastern Canada." www.ecclesiamilitans.com/Letter_Fr._Bohdan_Bilinksy.pdfSorry, but the official correspondence from the Eparchy of Toronto doesn't see it the same way.
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