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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2019 15:10:27 GMT
You clearly don't understand the meaning of "=". I would accept legitimate bishops "heading to modernist Rome, to different degrees" over a non-practicing "lay exorcist" who supports a con-man "archbishop" and pervert priests, controls priests, assaults women, and runs a seminary and convent any day of the week. These accusations are disgraceful. For this to be considered a reputable forum hoping to imitate Our Lord and remaining true to Catholic Traditions, such posts and those who post them should be removed. Challenging discussions and debates are one thing but this is scandalous. Let us aim to imitate Our Lord and Lady in all things.
I always smile when people write in about what they consider it takes to make a forum reputable or good or acceptable. As far as we have seen, these comments all come from those who do not actually moderate on a forum.
The Catacombs goes to great lengths to treat people as adults and not delete a post unless absolutely necessary but rather to give warnings and give people a chance to change the manner in which they post. Is this not what the Church does when She finds one of Her people promoting error? She gives them a chance to change their ways. We must approach things as the Church does:
Both Little Flower and St. Paul have been warned in the last few days that their posts were lacking in charity and/or substance. I usually give about three warnings and on the fourth occurrence, the member(s) is banned. It's really that simple. So if they proceed in the same manner they do so at their own peril.
All that aside, I would like to make a few points: The Catacombs is not a against honest debate. All we ask is just keep it charitable, keep it clean, keep it Catholic. By all means, let opposing viewpoints be hashed out. This is what the Church does, for example with its canonization process. There is a 'devil's advocate' who argues against the cause of the saint whose cause is being examined. It is not done out of animosity but in an attempt to seek the truth of the situation.
There is truth to St. Paul's statement that Mr. Hernandez thinks that Ambrose Moran is legitimate (see the video where he states this unequivocally). The other statements by St. Paul are not proven true. At this point they are just his/her opinion. We all know opinion is NOT fact.
My friends, we all have to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. Errors and compromises abound. It seems there are very few places left where we can rest easy. God have mercy on us all.
"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another." [John 13:35]
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Post by stpaul on Feb 7, 2019 15:36:49 GMT
You clearly don't understand the meaning of "=". I would accept legitimate bishops "heading to modernist Rome, to different degrees" over a non-practicing "lay exorcist" who supports a con-man "archbishop" and pervert priests, controls priests, assaults women, and runs a seminary and convent any day of the week. These accusations are disgraceful. For this to be considered a reputable forum hoping to imitate Our Lord and remaining true to Catholic Traditions, such posts and those who post them should be removed. Challenging discussions and debates are one thing but this is scandalous. Let us aim to imitate Our Lord and Lady in all things. I attack no one, make no accusations, and I state nothing that hasn't already been proven with moral certainty. I will try to help you charitably and concretely, then I am probably done with this forum. Let's dissect my statement (I assume you take exception to the second half, not the first.): non-practicing - When was the last time Pablo went to mass, confession or received Holy Communion? Ask him this question yourself: "Are you a professed Catholic?" "lay exorcist" - www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-devil-and-mr-hernandez-6418725who supports a con-man - www.ecclesiamilitans.com/?s=Moran&submit=Search"archbishop" - pervert priests - www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ourladyofmountcarmelusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018-03-06-Complaint.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjThKDh86ngAhWQna0KHf1UAF0QFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw06wJ0jwoEIDJWf3P7iPTYn&cshid=1549552316972around 44:14: michaelbaumann.blog/tag/father-marshall-roberts/ (among many other websites) www.tapatalk.com/groups/abplefebvreforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=449&p=4882controls priests - www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-voigt-exposes-fr-pfeiffer-boston-ky-seminary-sspx-mc-olmc/assaults women - www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/nightmare-in-boston-lies-swindling-etc-by-pablo/runs a seminary - "..., I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction..." www.tapatalk.com/groups/abplefebvreforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=449&p=4882and convent - ourladyofmountcarmelusa.com[Which is located on seminary grounds (not allowed by the Church) and is directly behind the priory (where Pablo resides with the priests).]
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2019 16:15:27 GMT
St. Paul,
There are untruths mixed in with truth in what you have posted here. First and foremost, Fr. Roberts has been cleared by several [?seven] ecclesiastical investigations of any misconduct. This has been amply demonstrated on this forum as well. Don't bring his name up again in this manner on the Catacombs.
With respect to Pablo aka Mr. Paul Hernandez, the state of his soul is between him and the good Lord. Leave it there. To the extent he has been given or has himself assumed some degree of control or power at OLMC, that is between him and Fr. Pfeiffer. The distinction lies in whether or not people wish to support Fr. Pfeiffer in that decision. The Catacombs has long stopped posting any 469 Fitter videos and have swapped most 469 Fitter videos out with the same video content from SSPX-MC. We have already spoken on the topic of The Catacombs' stance on Ambrose Moran.
While we do not agree with these decisions on the utilization of both Mr. Hernandez and Ambrose Moran, we are grateful for the great work and labors done by Fr. Pfeiffer in the past in defending the Faith against the new direction of the SSPX and on the doctrinal errors of other traditional groups. Your points, St. Paul have been said to the fullest. Clearly, you have those links long ago prepared and readied. We feel we have been very clear on many of those same issues but we have no wish to fill our souls with bitterness and beat the subject to death. Give your personal crusade against OLMC a rest. There are plenty of other forums where such sentiment is appreciated and will be welcomed.
God bless.
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Post by stpaul on Feb 7, 2019 16:24:09 GMT
Clearly, you have those links long ago prepared and readied.
God bless.
With all due respect, I did not have the links readily prepared. It is easy to find them if you have been following the story of OLMC. God bless.
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Post by littleflower on Feb 10, 2019 21:46:30 GMT
Fr Hewko's advice from a few years ago:
[Admin note: The Catacombs does not support videos from 469 Fitter channel if it can possibly be helped. The same sermon from the SSPX-MC channel has been substituted.]
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2019 23:28:14 GMT
Fr Hewko's advice from a few years ago:
A lot has changed in the last two to three years. This was after the 2015 disassociation. I remember this sermon well. Not really sure why this was posted now as its really not relevant. Much has changed this second time around with Fr. Pfeiffer's use of Ambrose Moran.
The biggest sign that much has changed even more now is Fr. Hewko's recent demand that Ambrose Moran not be associated in any way with OLMC.
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Post by littleflower on Feb 11, 2019 0:05:01 GMT
Fr Hewko's advice from a few years ago:
A lot has changed in the last two to three years. This was after the 2015 disassociation. I remember this sermon well. Not really sure why this was posted now as its really not relevant. Much has changed this second time around with Fr. Pfeiffer's use of Ambrose Moran.
The biggest sign that much has changed even more now is Fr. Hewko's recent demand that Ambrose Moran not be associated in any way with OLMC. Fr Hewko's teachings over the past two to three years have been consistent and relevant - in fact, sermons from 2-3 years ago have been posted quite recently on the catacombs. But there was no objection to those 2-3 year old videos being irrelevant? 1) thecatacombs.org/thread/1756/david-hewko-mass-attendance-apostasy2) thecatacombs.org/thread/1757/mass-attendance-apostasy-abl-teachIn this video, Fr Hewko speaks about Bp Moran and also speaks about Cathinfo and harm it is doing by not focusing on the essentials of the Faith. Has Cathinfo changed? Sadly, the faithful did not heed Fr Hewko's advice and the once doctrine focused Cor-Mariae forum, went the way of Cathinfo. Both of these forums are united in their angst against OLMC and as of date, are in negotiations with regards to the degrees of acceptance of the 4 Bishops. The essentials of the Faith, that Fr Hewko reminded us of, have long been forgotten. In the midst of the rumors, slights, etc. Fr Hewko's advice (in this video) for the faithful to focus on the essentials (doctrine) is consistent and relevant.
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Post by Juan Diego on Feb 11, 2019 1:22:01 GMT
Yes of course Fr. Hewko's advice was and always is to stay focused on the essentials. Unfortunately it's Fr. Pfeiffer who reneged from the 2015 official disassociation from Ambrose and opened up the wound again. You're trying to mix apples and oranges with your analogy. It wasn't Fr. Hewko's idea or desire to invite Ambrose back to OLMC. Fr. Hewko instead simply wants to stay focused on the essentials.
Do you notice you're complaining about folks not sticking to the essentials (doctrine) and you are now bringing up other forums and what they're doing? Who cares about those other forums? Why bring them up? I rather do think we should stick with the essentials and that's exactly why we're discussing it here. It's absolutely essential that we stay CATHOLIC and not go with someone who joined the Orthodox.
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Post by ruthy on Feb 11, 2019 3:06:24 GMT
Fr Hewko's advice from a few years ago:
A lot has changed in the last two to three years. This was after the 2015 disassociation. I remember this sermon well. Not really sure why this was posted now as its really not relevant. Much has changed this second time around with Fr. Pfeiffer's use of Ambrose Moran.
The biggest sign that much has changed even more now is Fr. Hewko's recent demand that Ambrose Moran not be associated in any way with OLMC. In Fr. Hewko 's 3rd Sunday after Epiphany sermon, he states that the Bishop Ambrose ordeal is over. Done. New chapter. So what has changed? The demand was met. New chapter.
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Post by littleflower on Feb 11, 2019 3:08:25 GMT
Yes of course Fr. Hewko's advice was and always is to stay focused on the essentials. Unfortunately it's Fr. Pfeiffer who reneged from the 2015 official disassociation from Ambrose and opened up the wound again. You're trying to mix apples and oranges with your analogy. It wasn't Fr. Hewko's idea or desire to invite Ambrose back to OLMC. Fr. Hewko instead simply wants to stay focused on the essentials.
Do you notice you're complaining about folks not sticking to the essentials (doctrine) and you are now bringing up other forums and what they're doing? Who cares about those other forums? Why bring them up? I rather do think we should stick with the essentials and that's exactly why we're discussing it here. It's absolutely essential that we stay CATHOLIC and not go with someone who joined the Orthodox.
It seems you missed the point of the video. Fr. Hewko has always encouraged the faithful to focus on the essentials and likewise Fr. Pfeiffer has always encouraged the faithful to focus on the essentials, similar to Abp. Lefebvre, who also encouraged the faithful to focus on the essentials. There will always be bumps in a road you travel, that does not mean the vehicle you drive in should come to a complete halt. The Apostles did not do that, neither did those in the Church Militant before us, and neither should we. Fr. Pfeiffer has already given his verdict on the case of Bp. Moran, and so has Fr. Hewko. Why are people still focused on Bp. Moran. Is the faith not important anymore, or has Bp. Moran become a new-found source of unity?
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2019 12:17:54 GMT
I think we understand the point you are trying to make, Little Flower. And certainly your loyalty in reminding people to not 'get out of the vehicle' is commendable. But if we examine this logic, it will be proven false.
If we were supposed to 'stay in the vehicle', true Catholics never would have separated themselves from the Arians, from the Orthodox, from the Albigensians, from the Protestants, from the Novus Ordo, and recently, from the SSPX. What actually happened in all these examples is those holding erroneous ideas separated themselves, they decided to 'change vehicles' other than the one of the Faith, separating themselves from the Church and Her teaching. You're right, the Apostles didn't leave. But the others left the teachings of the Apostles for their own novel ideas.
'There is nothing new under the sun' Solomon tells us.
As a side note, I couldn't be happier than to shut down and throw away the key to anything more having to do with Ambrose Moran. But sadly, it is Fr. Pfeiffer who brought him up yet again yesterday in his sermon. It seems the saga is not yet over. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 12:42:46 GMT
I think we understand the point you are trying to make, Little Flower. And certainly your loyalty in reminding people to not 'get out of the vehicle' is commendable. But if we examine this logic, it will be proven false.
If we were supposed to 'stay in the vehicle', true Catholics never would have separated themselves from the Arians, from the Orthodox, from the Albigensians, from the Protestants, from the Novus Ordo, and recently, from the SSPX. What actually happened in all these examples is those holding erroneous ideas separated themselves, they decided to 'change vehicles' other than the one of the Faith, separating themselves from the Church and Her teaching. You're right, the Apostles didn't leave. But the others left the teachings of the Apostles for their own novel ideas.
'There is nothing new under the sun' Solomon tells us.
As a side note, I couldn't be happier than to shut down and throw away the key to anything more having to do with Ambrose Moran. But sadly, it is Fr. Pfeiffer who brought him up yet again yesterday in his sermon. It seems the saga is not yet over. Time will tell. In which sermon did Fr. Pfeiffer bring up Ambrose Moran again?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 12:47:55 GMT
Yes of course Fr. Hewko's advice was and always is to stay focused on the essentials. Unfortunately it's Fr. Pfeiffer who reneged from the 2015 official disassociation from Ambrose and opened up the wound again. You're trying to mix apples and oranges with your analogy. It wasn't Fr. Hewko's idea or desire to invite Ambrose back to OLMC. Fr. Hewko instead simply wants to stay focused on the essentials.
Do you notice you're complaining about folks not sticking to the essentials (doctrine) and you are now bringing up other forums and what they're doing? Who cares about those other forums? Why bring them up? I rather do think we should stick with the essentials and that's exactly why we're discussing it here. It's absolutely essential that we stay CATHOLIC and not go with someone who joined the Orthodox.
It seems you missed the point of the video. Fr. Hewko has always encouraged the faithful to focus on the essentials and likewise Fr. Pfeiffer has always encouraged the faithful to focus on the essentials, similar to Abp. Lefebvre, who also encouraged the faithful to focus on the essentials. There will always be bumps in a road you travel, that does not mean the vehicle you drive in should come to a complete halt. The Apostles did not do that, neither did those in the Church Militant before us, and neither should we. Fr. Pfeiffer has already given his verdict on the case of Bp. Moran, and so has Fr. Hewko. Why are people still focused on Bp. Moran. Is the faith not important anymore, or has Bp. Moran become a new-found source of unity? It's incredible how people just want to wash away the damage that Fr. Pfeiffer has done to the unity of the True Resistance. Fr. Pfeiffer can do this over and over again and his ardent followers will just keep washing the slate clean. They refuse to hold Fr. Pfeiffer accountable for his actions. I am sorry, but a letter of apology that contains a contradiction regarding the validity of Ambrose Moran's episcopacy just doesn't cut it. Fr. Pfeiffer was given a chance by many after his first public promotion of Ambrose Moran and he blew it. Now it is time for Fr. Pfeiffer to denounce Ambrose Moran as the liar and fraud he is and to make public reparation for the damage that Fr. Pfeiffer has done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 12:57:43 GMT
Yes of course Fr. Hewko's advice was and always is to stay focused on the essentials. Unfortunately it's Fr. Pfeiffer who reneged from the 2015 official disassociation from Ambrose and opened up the wound again. You're trying to mix apples and oranges with your analogy. It wasn't Fr. Hewko's idea or desire to invite Ambrose back to OLMC. Fr. Hewko instead simply wants to stay focused on the essentials.
Do you notice you're complaining about folks not sticking to the essentials (doctrine) and you are now bringing up other forums and what they're doing? Who cares about those other forums? Why bring them up? I rather do think we should stick with the essentials and that's exactly why we're discussing it here. It's absolutely essential that we stay CATHOLIC and not go with someone who joined the Orthodox.
I agree that it is Fr. Pfeiffer that reintroduced Ambrose Moran back onto the scene. Fr. Hewko was not happy about that decision. At this point, the best thing for Fr. Hewko, after that poor letter of disassociation on Fr. Pfeiffer's part, is to separate himself completely from OLMC and start fresh. Fr. Hewko has made bad decisions under Fr. Pfeiffer, such as promoting Ambrose Moran, conjointly writing a letter to Bishop Williamson to have him come ordain the OLMC seminarians, and accepting a green light priest to say public Mass and teach at OLMC. Fr. Hewko needs to free himself of these aberrations from the True Resistance positions.
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Post by peterd on Feb 11, 2019 15:05:13 GMT
How can we be certain Fr. Hewko was ok with Ambrose Moran after realizing the true facts? Was he not possibly told Ambrose Moran eventually checked out ok? They did do a video about it. Was he not just being obedient and the responsibility did not fall upon him to make the decision? I don't see him anywhere around. He was not at the public cassock ceremony. Sorry if I called it the wrong thing. Did he leave OLMC over this?
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