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Post by ruthy on Aug 2, 2019 3:23:41 GMT
What prophecy did our lady speak of when she said, there will not be any priests left?
I like what Fr Hesse said, paraphrasing, he's going to pray for the pope, whether he is or isn't because he doesn't want to be asked on judgement, if he didn't, why didn't you pray for the pope.
I like taking the simple minded approach:
I believe in the Apostle's Creed
Follow the guidance and faith Archbishop Lefebvre handed down.
And pray for the pope.
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Post by Fidelis on Aug 2, 2019 3:51:04 GMT
Fr. Hewko holds the position of the objective dubiousness of the New Rite ordinations and Episcopal consecrations. Please provide example of Fr Hewko stating that there is an 'objective dubiousness' in regards to the new rites of ordination. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2019 10:34:47 GMT
Dear Susan and Sean,
Are you inferring that since Fr. Pfeiffer has parted ways with the SSPX, he should remain silent about their errors? We know this is false. And to state this with respect to Moran's errors shows is a double standard and disingenuous. Dear Admin, To indicate that we and/or Fr. Pfeiffer are using double standards and are disingenuous, is incorrect. Fr. Pfeiffer has given sermons and conferences that have discussed Sacraments, the case of Fr. Poisson, and addressed questions regarding Bp. Moran well after his disassociation from him 6 months ago. If you have a specific question for Fr. Pfeiffer to answer, then you can call him. From our point of view, to be complicit one needs to show involvement or participation in an action. After a split or disassociation, an individual/group cannot be held complicit for another individual's/group's post-partition actions, even if they were once associated with each other. We did not say that one must remain silent about the errors. We said after their parting from Bp. Moran, neither Fr. Hewko nor Fr. Pfeiffer can be held complicit for the excommunications from Bp. Moran. Pax Christi.
Round and round we go. If this subject matter didn't deal with the Faith, this all would have been gladly dropped a long time ago for the foolishness it is. But here we are.
Susan and Sean, your efforts to damage-control the mess that has been left in the wake of the interaction of Moran are certainly valiant. You've done as good a job as you could have, given the circumstances. But that is all it is, damage control.
The reality is that the Moran scandal has so badly wounded souls and has been so far-reaching, it cannot ever be exonerated or downplayed, it cannot be ignored, it cannot be whitewashed. Especially when seminarians are telling people (in the last few weeks) that as soon as that one elusive piece of paper comes back that supposedly shows Moran's validity, so does Moran. Especially when in May, Moran performed Confirmations for OLMC parishioners.
All this is an exercise in futility.
The comparison between Fr. Pfeiffer's past words in 2014, echoing precisely what you have held Fr. Hewko to task for, is completely ignored by you. Where are your comments about that? I understand why you would want to ignore Fr. Pfeiffer's words in 2014, because it obviously shows, once again, the double standards consistently being applied in this situation.
I am really sorry, Susan and Sean. I am sorry we are here today, at odds with each other. You both are good people, very intelligent. Good-hearted! Several people have privately commented that they can't help but feel you are being used here. That perhaps your goodness and kindness was manipulated and inflamed by others, causing your sense of justice to be incensed at Fr. Hewko's words against Fr. Poisson's first ordination? And out of the goodness of your hearts, you took up that fight? Not realizing the faulty platform you were encouraged to stand on?
Those of us who knew how Fr. Pfeiffer long preached about the doubtfulness of the New Rite Sacraments and the New Mass, about Vatican II, knew this was a losing battle you have taken up.
I recall back in February or March when you were first emailing people similar questions that were brought up here, I encouraged you to speak to Fr. Pfeiffer, that he would surely correct this thinking then, knowing how he always used to preach on this subject matter. How naive I was to send you to him. Now it is obvious from which quarter you are being encouraged. I am truly sorry that we are here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 11:46:20 GMT
These seem to be truly the End-Times of Traditional Catholicism. Never! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 11:51:39 GMT
Especially when in May, Moran performed Confirmations for OLMC parishioners. Do you know whether this took place at the OLMC church itself? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 11:53:42 GMT
We said after their parting from Bp. Moran, neither Fr. Hewko nor Fr. Pfeiffer can be held complicit for the excommunications from Bp. Moran. You either didn't see or are ignoring what I wrote earlier. Fr. Pfeiffer defended, to his seminarians, Ambrose Moran's claim that I have excommunicated myself. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2019 12:12:34 GMT
Especially when in May, Moran performed Confirmations for OLMC parishioners. Do you know whether this took place at the OLMC church itself? I don't believe so.
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Post by Juan Diego on Aug 2, 2019 17:32:28 GMT
Does anybody see the irony in all this. First these people said they wanted Fr. Hewko to come back to KY. When it was obvious he was not, they turned to attack mode saying he's in error. Remember when Fr. Pfeiffer, seminarians and others repeating the same, that of telling people not to go to Fr. Hewko's Mass so no one would show up and he would be forced to go back to KY? Yeah Admin hit it on the head in the opening post:
Ecclessia Militans pointed out days ago in this thread the authors of the letter completely skipped over Fr. Poisson's conditional ordination as if it never happened.
Besides that recall the conditional ordination was done behind Fr. Hewko's back last summer. With that secret ordination the words of Archbishop Lefebvre keep ringing in my ears "They have betrayed us, they have betrayed us, they have betrayed us." |
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Post by Little Rose on Aug 2, 2019 22:03:39 GMT
Hello Catacombs forum. I have learned a lot in a couple of weeks reading this.
I have two elderly friends who do not read the forum but did receive the letter spoken of here in an email. May I ask the two people who sent the letter to also send Fr. Hewko's brief statement yesterday to the people you sent the letter to in July. For my friends to try to figure out and follow a blog is not familiar to them. It's not fair for them to receive only partial information. They really want to know both sides. You must show good will by not showing favoritism or withholding information. Maybe this is a rumor, but I have been told Fr. Hewko also sent an answer reply to your letter in July. I am asking you is that true? Because I have not seen it. I have only read his statement from August 1 on this blog. If you did you really should send it to the people you sent the email letter to. It would be best and courteous of you if you to do that otherwise it would be disrespectful if you do not.
I thank you for letting me participate in this communication.
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2019 1:18:48 GMT
Dear friends, I have made the decision to lock this thread.
The issues raised in the OP have been addressed and answered, primarily from three sources: Archbishop Lefebvre, Fr. Hewko, and Fr. Pfeiffer in 2014 (whose words then perfectly match the error Fr. Hewko is being accused of now).
This thread was originally opened in response to an email that was mass-distributed on July 26, 2019. The email regurgitated what we had been hearing privately for months by OLMC priests, seminarians, and laity: Fr. Hewko is in error for saying Fr. Poisson’s first ordination was in doubt.
This, as many of us know, was a falsehood. That the Novus Ordo Ordinations and Consecrations are doubtful is well known to most traditional Catholics, certainly those of the SSPX heritage, and this was always the stance of OLMC in years past.
By OLMC et al. imputing error to Fr. Hewko for repeating what the Archbishop has always said, what the SSPX clergy has always said, what Fr. Pfeiffer has always said, what Fr. Hewko himself has always said, is dishonest.
It is always heartbreaking to see unnecessary quarrels among Catholics. Dear friends, this was all so very unnecessary. A little research on the part of those who sent out these questions shows the FACTS of this situation:
1. The Archbishop always preached that the Novus Ordo Mass and Sacraments are doubtful. 2. Fr. Pfeiffer always preached (prior to Fr. Poisson’s arrival) that the Novus Ordo Mass and Sacraments are doubtful. 3. Fr. Hewko has always preached that the Novus Ordo Mass and Sacraments are doubtful.
But the authors of this letter do not bear the greater culpability in this situation. They no doubt referred this matter to their priests?
Yesterday, after publishing both Fr. Hewko’s statement as well as Fr. Pfeiffer’s words of 2014, I thought this was all done. But I saw to my (and others) astonishment, the polemics continued.
It appears the important issues have been addressed and the matter does not need to go on endlessly.
The Catacombs gratefully and humbly stands behind Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who himself stood behind all that the Church teaches and who valiantly defended Her honor and the honor of Our Lord Jesus Christ in our unprecedented times. During these past fifty years since Vatican II we must cling to how the Catholic Church thinks and acts and follow no other.
August is the month of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Let us continue to leave to Her motherly hands the solution to the errors that plague our Holy Roman Catholic Church. She is the Hammer of heresies. It was given to Her to crush the Serpent’s head, that same Serpent who is ever making war against Her Son.
May the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary guide us all! |
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2019 10:34:16 GMT
Fr. Hewko's sermon for August's First Friday Mass [August 2, 2019]
Father speaks directly to the New Rite Sacraments and their doubtfulness. Very clear and succinct!
He simply holds the line of Archbishop Lefebvre:
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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2019 12:01:03 GMT
Dear friends,
I received the following from the Catacombs member, "kelley," who had hoped to post when their schedule allowed but was unable to do so before this thread was locked. Since it is a very succinct commentary regarding what the Church teaches and how Archbishop Lefebvre taught, I am including it here, as a help in clearing the smoke this whole issue has kicked up.
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Post by Admin on Aug 6, 2019 18:21:42 GMT
Here is the audio for the previously referenced conference Fr. Pfeiffer gave in Denver, Colorado in 2014 - stating is absolutely reasonable to question the New Rite ordinations.
Begins approx the 44:00 minute mark:
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