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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 18:12:14 GMT
The Dominicans of Avrillé were recently attacked by sedevacantists for their article a “ Little Catechism on Sedevacantism” www.dominicansavrille.us/little-catechism-on-sedevacantism-part-i/. They replied to the attack, resistance.vraiforum.com/t545-Le-s-d-vacantisme.htm, but their trad-ecumenism shows up in their conclusion (see below). This seems to be the trademark of the False Resistance: trad-ecumenism. The Dominicans have no choice but to be careful about what they say, since there are many sedevacantists in their school in Avrillé.* Sedevacantism is not a “personal sentiment” or “private opinion.” Sedevacantist priests alter the Mass by leaving out the name of the pope, and the Mass is “ a public act.” Dominicans of Avrillé:
“ As long as sedevacantism remains at the level of personal sentiment or private opinion, there is nothing wrong with it, given the present circumstances. But it is not proven. It is only one hypothesis amongst others, and not the most probable. It is wrong to make it a dogma and dangerous to make it a flag. Let us wait peacefully for the Church to decide, one day, these questions which are beyond us. Instead, let us mobilize our forces to keep faith, hope and charity." (« Tant que le sédévacantisme reste au niveau du sentiment personnel ou de l’opinion privée, il n’a rien d’illicite, au vu des circonstances présentes. Mais il n’est pas prouvé. Il n’est qu’une hypothèse parmi d’autres, et pas la plus probable. Il est indu d’en faire un dogme et dangereux d’en faire un drapeau. Attendons paisiblement que l’Église tranche, un jour, ces questions qui nous dépassent. Et mobilisons plutôt nos forces pour garder la foi, l’espérance et la charité.») *Note: This information came from a family (against sedevacantism) who sent their son there. The boy was advised by the Dominicans to not speak about sedevacantism at the school because of all the sedevacantists there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 22:07:15 GMT
Trad-ecumenism, that ugly golden calf. When will these priests have the conviction not to bow to men? Where is the objective sting of the Dominican's catechism on sedevacantism when they end by opening the door? As long as they submit to the vagabond bishops saluting sedevacantism, they have no choice but to go along. BTW, the Dominicans have had sedevacantism in their schools and on their altars for a while. See here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 22:23:29 GMT
Where is the objective sting of the Dominican's catechism on sedevacantism when they end by opening the door? This is exactly what I thought, too. Very disappointing from the Dominicans. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 22:32:31 GMT
This comes back to the Dominican's lame response not to condemn the absolute modernism in the neo-sspx refusing to take sides between those who oppose the liberalism in the neo-sspx and those who promote the liberalism in the neo-sspx. See here, TheRecusant, Issue 30 - October 2015 |
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Post by Admin on Feb 21, 2018 23:51:53 GMT
Trad-ecumenism, that ugly golden calf. When will these priests have the conviction not to bow to men? Where is the objective sting of the Dominican's catechism on sedevacantism when they end by opening the door? As long as they submit to the vagabond bishops saluting sedevacantism, they have no choice but to go along. BTW, the Dominicans have had sedevacantism in their schools and on their altars for a while. See here. The same way the New Mass is the fruit of Vatican II, so the trad-ecumenism of the Dominicans is the fruit of what they have been 'taught' by Bishop Williamson:“Therefore, in my opinion, be content to attend the least contaminated Tridentine Mass that there is any where near you…” - Eleison Comments #505 For the followers of Bishop Williamson and their false resistance, trad-ecumenism is the logical result of such reasoning. And he does not stop here but has elaborated on this concept for some time now: +++++++++
Contrast this with how the Archbishop spoke of any kind of ecumenism in strong language: |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 16:43:41 GMT
It is a contradiction. It would be hard to see the dominicans change their support for sedevacantism knowing they are financially embedded with them: sede tuition, financial support from the SAJM bishops faure and zendejas who are joined and allow sedevacantist on their altars, bishop williamson allowance going to non-una-cum masses, dominicans help preach retreats with other false resistance sedevacantist priests. This group is more of a gang of hypocrites than anything resembling the catholic faith.
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Post by Admin on Feb 22, 2018 19:56:35 GMT
It is a contradiction. It would be hard to see the dominicans change their support for sedevacantism knowing they are financially embedded with them: sede tuition, financial support from the SAJM bishops faure and zendejas who are joined and allow sedevacantist on their altars, bishop williamson allowance going to non-una-cum masses, dominicans help preach retreats with other false resistance sedevacantist priests. This group is more of a gang of hypocrites than anything resembling the catholic faith. Sad and painfully true. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 22:06:53 GMT
From the SAJM website, we read : “Thanks be to God, the first year of the seminary was successful, without too many material constraints and above all with the support of the Fathers of the Convent of Avrillé, who, with us, provide an important part of the teaching in a very serious doctrinal and pedagogical manner .”
After reading the trad-ecumenist comments of the Dominicans about sedevacantism, this statement of Bishop Faure isn’t reassuring at all. What kind of formation are the SAJM seminarians getting with the Dominicans of Avrillé teaching them? It doesn’t look like they’ll be keeping to the line of Archbishop Lefebvre. Archbishop Lefebvre was not a trad-ecumenist. Source: seminaireavrille.org/2016/10/18/un-projet-dachat-pour-le-seminaire-saint-louis-marie-grignion-de-montfort/ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 3:25:40 GMT
Here's further evidence of the Domincans’ trad-ecumenism.
Last month, the Quebec sedevacantist group learned that the trip to Quebec by some Dominicans from Avrillé, organized by the sedevacantist,Fr Roy, for Holy Week 2018, had been cancelled. A direct intervention by Bp. Zendejas
during his visist in February at Avrillé aborted the project. We do not know what arguments where used by the Bishop to force the Dominicans to change their decision, having recently declared their openness towards the
so-called "moderate" sedevacantists (see opening post). Episcopal territory or jurisdiction? Who knows. But one thing is certain: The line drawn by Archbishop Lefebvre was clear. If you abandon it you will produce chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 13:01:06 GMT
Here's further evidence of the Domincans’ trad-ecumenism. Last month, the Quebec sedevacantist group learned that the trip to Quebec by some Dominicans from Avrillé, organized by the sedevacantist,Fr Roy, for Holy Week 2018, had been cancelled. A direct intervention by Bp. Zendejas during his visist in February at Avrillé aborted the project. We do not know what arguments where used by the Bishop to force the Dominicans to change their decision, having recently declared their openness towards the so-called "moderate" sedevacantists (see opening post). Episcopal territory or jurisdiction? Who knows. But one thing is certain: The line drawn by Archbishop Lefebvre was clear. If you abandon it you will produce chaos. Yes, it certainly is chaos. What does an anti-sedevacantist person –someone who has the true Catholic faith and spirit, and not this protestant spirit of the sedevacantists, nor this ecumenical spirit of liberals – what does he do in a situation like this? How does he stick to the principles he faithfully and unwaveringly follows? He doesn’t support sedevacantism and wants to go to a Dominican non-sedevacantist Mass, but the Mass has been organized by a sedevacantist priest and will be assisted at mostly by sedevacantists, thus creating a sedevacantist ambiance and contact with sedevacantists, which Archbishop Lefebvre told us to avoid (see quote below). So is it a sedevacantist Mass or a non-sedevacantist Mass? See the absurdity of the situation? The trad-ecumenical position of the False Resistance doesn’t work. It leads to compromise. It leads us away from God and the true path that He wants us to walk on. Archbishop Lefebvre:
-“ I have always warned the faithful vis-à -vis the sedevacantists, for example. There, also, people say: “The Mass is fine, so we go to it.” Yes, there is the Mass. That’s fine, but there is also the sermon; there is the atmosphere, the conversations, contacts before and after, which make you little by little, change your ideas. It is therefore a danger and that’s why in general, I think it constitutes part of a whole. One does not merely go to Mass, one frequents a milieu.” (Fideliter No. 79, January/February 1991) |
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