The Crisis: State of Emergency and Supplied Jurisdiction
Mar 27, 2018 16:54:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 16:54:06 GMT
As the new-SSPX is causing more confusion in contradicting their former position, I am including here an article I wrote 6-years ago, when the 2012 sspx-civil war started, and is still pertainate for today. It was in reaction to a Fr. Rostand's Post Falls (usa) conference where he denied the old-sspx for the new-sspx in his remark: "It is a matter of prudence (to be reconciled to conciliar Rome) and not Principle."
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The Crisis: State of Emergency and Supplied Jurisdiction.
This is a serious question and needs to be discussed again until the crisis is gone away.
So as not to mix two-concepts together, some definitions:
State of Emergency: Exists by itself for any individual when there is no longer a possible means to receive the Faith, Morals, and or Sacraments from your local priest or ordinary bishop.
Supplied Jurisdiction: Exists, and is supplied from the Church herself, with or without the State of Emergency, for any priest, bishop, and or individual who needs to go outside of the normal jurisdiction to give or receive the grace necessary for the Faith, Morals, and or Sacraments.
The NATURE of the State of Emergency, and or, Supplied Jurisdiction only applies on an INDIVIDUAL case by case basis.
“The salvation of souls is the highest Law of the Church."
Thus, this question on the State of Emergency, and the fulfillment of the Church Law of Supplied Jurisdiction is really the main argument, the central argument, of the whole SSPX-ROME issue. It is the major difference between us (the old SSPX) and the existing FSSP, Campos, and others.
In brief, the state of emergency for a Catholic must be an objective hindrance, obstacle, eclipse, etc. of the normal means to receive the grace and sacraments from the Church. From this state of emergency there becomes a “state of need”. The Church in her wisdom, by God’s will, supplies for this need in Her Canon Law. In fact, it is the highest of all Church Laws -for the salvation of souls- the Church then gives a “supplied Jurisdiction” to overcome this obstacle to the priests, bishops, and the faithful within such and such an emergency to allow you, or a priest, bishop etc., to receive and give the sacraments based on that need. This is what has been taught from the Society’s pulpits and conferences for years, especially since the 1988 consecrations of the 4-bishops.
In regards to the sspx, they too exist in the state of emergency; individually, and as a group. As bishops and priests, they do not have any jurisdiction. The bishops and priests only function to offer the basic fundamentals of the faith to individuals to say the mass, preach the Faith, teach the Morals, and give the sacraments on a daily and individual case by case basis supplied to them from the Church herself within Supplied Jurisdiction, the very State of Emergency they are in themselves, and for any individual who comes to them for help in the Faith.
The new-SSPX is changing the question of crisis into a neo-tradition view, an Ecclesia Dei view
State of Emergency: When a new-sspx bishop or priest subjectively AGREES individually, or as a group, with the compromises and errors of Vatican II, the cause of the crisis as they are doing now, they are stating the objection to the reason and cause of that State of Emergency no longer exists and applies to them. Thus, they are placing themselves, as they are doing, within that conciliar church structure; no longer outside of it. Therefore, when they do so, anyone who follows them implicitly and explicitly state there is no longer a crisis for themselves individually.
Supplied Jurisdiction: Is also objective, and is thus present to any bishop or priest to assist a faithful in need throughout the whole world, throughout time, and space, to give or receive the graces necessary for salvation (example: in time of death within another jurisdiction, etc…).
The issue that changes for the sspx under supplied jurisdiction when they sign a deal and go into the conciliar structure, is that they can no longer on their own individually, or exist as a group, to say Mass publicly or privately, ordain priests, consecrate bishops, preach the Faith, teach morals, give the sacraments in any NORMAL way; they need permission from the local ordinary. The sspx, like any other prelate, can only give the sacraments within supplied jurisdiction to an individual who asks of the individual priest, or bishop, out of necessity (from the individual's own state of emergency, accident, death, objective hindrance, or an undue obstacle, etc.); whether the individual goes “into” the priest’s ordinary structure, or the priest is traveling outside of their ordinary structure.
Therefore, for the sspx, the State of Emergency and the need to function within supplied jurisdiction in the fullness of the Catholic priesthood without permission, is over; like those in the Ecclesia Dei community. The sspx will be officially absorbed into the Modernist camp.
As far as the faithful who do not follow them, the objective crisis is still there in the State of Emergency as with Supplied Jurisdiction on an individual basis; and can subjectively still go to them for the sacraments, with or without their new conciliar position; however, you are objectively putting yourself in danger to that conciliar compromise and environment as the new-sspx is just like the FSSP accepting the errors of Vatican II in principle.
Therefore, there is absolutely every reason to be concerned about this. If not doesn’t think so, then why not go today to the fssp, or to the other 8-Traditional communities within the Ecclesia Dei apparatus and compromises? If the answer is, you can’t, then there is a real concern and still a State of Emergency for the Faith and the faithful not to follow the new-sspx into the dungeons of the dragon.
Has anyone ever heard from those groups using the platform of “supplied jurisdiction” anymore? No! Because by signing a practical agreement they willfully went into the conciliar structure and implicitly/explicitly gave consent to a “legal normalcy” for themselves under a false premise stating to the world, in their mind, there no longer is a state of necessity.
Therefore, whatever practical or pragmatic “deal” with bells and whistles one wants to make with those who endanger the faith, regardless of personages: A). You have no right before God to put yourself in harm’s way. B). You have no right before God to put others in harm’s way. C). You have no right to put the True religion of God into another religion (conciliar/novus ordo religion). D). No faithful can follow you into that danger. E). You no longer can help souls in the “freedom” of that protection without asking “permission” to the conciliar mechanism (…). And so on…
Do you see the danger of this neo-tradition Ecclesia Dei view the new-SSPX has adopted for itself? This is not about a pretty badge of prelature, or a pride of recognition, or even fixing an “irregularity” -THIS IS ABOUT THE FAITH- PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
If you do follow the NSSPX into the danger of the conciliar mechanisms of the conciliar Rome, then you are in real schism to the true faith. Bluntly said!
So once the NSSPX signs the accord, it cannot “disobey” the orders to relocate here, go there, shut down there, and all of the rest of the modernist tactics (…).
The state of necessity is a real situation; either it is still there, or it is not. One must act accordingly. Neither can one have it both ways and flip-flop when speaking to a particular audience to gain their money and support.
In our times fidelity to the wholesomeness of the Catholic Faith is becoming rare, unfortunately, as is the road is narrow.
So where can the faithful go so as not to be infected by this conciliar/ecumenical religion?
Thank God for the Catholic Resistance and the heroics of the standout priests not wanting to compromise continuing the true providential direction of Archbishop Lefebvre in the SSPX-mc.
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The Crisis: State of Emergency and Supplied Jurisdiction.
This is a serious question and needs to be discussed again until the crisis is gone away.
So as not to mix two-concepts together, some definitions:
State of Emergency: Exists by itself for any individual when there is no longer a possible means to receive the Faith, Morals, and or Sacraments from your local priest or ordinary bishop.
Supplied Jurisdiction: Exists, and is supplied from the Church herself, with or without the State of Emergency, for any priest, bishop, and or individual who needs to go outside of the normal jurisdiction to give or receive the grace necessary for the Faith, Morals, and or Sacraments.
The NATURE of the State of Emergency, and or, Supplied Jurisdiction only applies on an INDIVIDUAL case by case basis.
“The salvation of souls is the highest Law of the Church."
Thus, this question on the State of Emergency, and the fulfillment of the Church Law of Supplied Jurisdiction is really the main argument, the central argument, of the whole SSPX-ROME issue. It is the major difference between us (the old SSPX) and the existing FSSP, Campos, and others.
In brief, the state of emergency for a Catholic must be an objective hindrance, obstacle, eclipse, etc. of the normal means to receive the grace and sacraments from the Church. From this state of emergency there becomes a “state of need”. The Church in her wisdom, by God’s will, supplies for this need in Her Canon Law. In fact, it is the highest of all Church Laws -for the salvation of souls- the Church then gives a “supplied Jurisdiction” to overcome this obstacle to the priests, bishops, and the faithful within such and such an emergency to allow you, or a priest, bishop etc., to receive and give the sacraments based on that need. This is what has been taught from the Society’s pulpits and conferences for years, especially since the 1988 consecrations of the 4-bishops.
In regards to the sspx, they too exist in the state of emergency; individually, and as a group. As bishops and priests, they do not have any jurisdiction. The bishops and priests only function to offer the basic fundamentals of the faith to individuals to say the mass, preach the Faith, teach the Morals, and give the sacraments on a daily and individual case by case basis supplied to them from the Church herself within Supplied Jurisdiction, the very State of Emergency they are in themselves, and for any individual who comes to them for help in the Faith.
The new-SSPX is changing the question of crisis into a neo-tradition view, an Ecclesia Dei view
State of Emergency: When a new-sspx bishop or priest subjectively AGREES individually, or as a group, with the compromises and errors of Vatican II, the cause of the crisis as they are doing now, they are stating the objection to the reason and cause of that State of Emergency no longer exists and applies to them. Thus, they are placing themselves, as they are doing, within that conciliar church structure; no longer outside of it. Therefore, when they do so, anyone who follows them implicitly and explicitly state there is no longer a crisis for themselves individually.
Supplied Jurisdiction: Is also objective, and is thus present to any bishop or priest to assist a faithful in need throughout the whole world, throughout time, and space, to give or receive the graces necessary for salvation (example: in time of death within another jurisdiction, etc…).
The issue that changes for the sspx under supplied jurisdiction when they sign a deal and go into the conciliar structure, is that they can no longer on their own individually, or exist as a group, to say Mass publicly or privately, ordain priests, consecrate bishops, preach the Faith, teach morals, give the sacraments in any NORMAL way; they need permission from the local ordinary. The sspx, like any other prelate, can only give the sacraments within supplied jurisdiction to an individual who asks of the individual priest, or bishop, out of necessity (from the individual's own state of emergency, accident, death, objective hindrance, or an undue obstacle, etc.); whether the individual goes “into” the priest’s ordinary structure, or the priest is traveling outside of their ordinary structure.
Therefore, for the sspx, the State of Emergency and the need to function within supplied jurisdiction in the fullness of the Catholic priesthood without permission, is over; like those in the Ecclesia Dei community. The sspx will be officially absorbed into the Modernist camp.
As far as the faithful who do not follow them, the objective crisis is still there in the State of Emergency as with Supplied Jurisdiction on an individual basis; and can subjectively still go to them for the sacraments, with or without their new conciliar position; however, you are objectively putting yourself in danger to that conciliar compromise and environment as the new-sspx is just like the FSSP accepting the errors of Vatican II in principle.
Therefore, there is absolutely every reason to be concerned about this. If not doesn’t think so, then why not go today to the fssp, or to the other 8-Traditional communities within the Ecclesia Dei apparatus and compromises? If the answer is, you can’t, then there is a real concern and still a State of Emergency for the Faith and the faithful not to follow the new-sspx into the dungeons of the dragon.
Has anyone ever heard from those groups using the platform of “supplied jurisdiction” anymore? No! Because by signing a practical agreement they willfully went into the conciliar structure and implicitly/explicitly gave consent to a “legal normalcy” for themselves under a false premise stating to the world, in their mind, there no longer is a state of necessity.
Therefore, whatever practical or pragmatic “deal” with bells and whistles one wants to make with those who endanger the faith, regardless of personages: A). You have no right before God to put yourself in harm’s way. B). You have no right before God to put others in harm’s way. C). You have no right to put the True religion of God into another religion (conciliar/novus ordo religion). D). No faithful can follow you into that danger. E). You no longer can help souls in the “freedom” of that protection without asking “permission” to the conciliar mechanism (…). And so on…
Do you see the danger of this neo-tradition Ecclesia Dei view the new-SSPX has adopted for itself? This is not about a pretty badge of prelature, or a pride of recognition, or even fixing an “irregularity” -THIS IS ABOUT THE FAITH- PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
If you do follow the NSSPX into the danger of the conciliar mechanisms of the conciliar Rome, then you are in real schism to the true faith. Bluntly said!
So once the NSSPX signs the accord, it cannot “disobey” the orders to relocate here, go there, shut down there, and all of the rest of the modernist tactics (…).
The state of necessity is a real situation; either it is still there, or it is not. One must act accordingly. Neither can one have it both ways and flip-flop when speaking to a particular audience to gain their money and support.
In our times fidelity to the wholesomeness of the Catholic Faith is becoming rare, unfortunately, as is the road is narrow.
So where can the faithful go so as not to be infected by this conciliar/ecumenical religion?
Thank God for the Catholic Resistance and the heroics of the standout priests not wanting to compromise continuing the true providential direction of Archbishop Lefebvre in the SSPX-mc.