Menzingen subverts history for deal: calls ABL vacillating
Jun 9, 2018 16:15:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 16:15:35 GMT
Not surprising. The goal? Remove any old-sspx obstacles, re-narrate terms in favor of conciliar consistency. If the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration didn't do enough damage by itself in favor of change, the liberal sspx superiors are interpreting everything in the SSPX, and their roots, as "living tradition" needing to update with the times and effect their reconciliation with modern rome.
From NonPossumus:
Source: FSSPX NEWS First part, Second part
On May 16, Vatican Insider published the minutes of the meeting between Bishop Lefebvre and Paul VI that took place on September 11, 1976. Said act appeared first in the book "The boat of Pablo", of the regent of the Pontifical House Leonardo Sapienza.
On May 17, Non Possumus published an entry on this. There we said the following: The published partial transcript is not reliable. If you compare it with the story of Msgr. Lefebvre, it becomes evident that someone (Sapienza ?, Benelli ?, Macchi ?, someone else?) Has falsified what was said in that meeting, something that does not surprise us in a way some, given the known lack of honesty of the modernists. Below readers can see that, in the days following the meeting, Monsignor Lefebvre accused the Vatican of lying in the information he gave on this hearing. (...) Until now there is an absolute silence of the Fraternity about this "secret act" that dishonors the memory of its founder, presenting him as a tormented, exalted, unpredictable, contradictory and vacillating man.
Well, on June 7, the SSPX, in an article divided into two parts and signed by Fr. Thouvenot, General Secretary of the SSPX; refers to the act published by apostate Rome:
1 ° Assuming, in general, the version of the modernists.
2 ° "Apologizing" to Bishop Lefebvre for having given his version "hot" [temperament] (sic!) .
3 ° Minimizing the strong exchange of accusations that, in the days following the interview, occurred between Bishop Lefebvre and the Vatican in relation to the supposed oath against the pope.
4 ° Finally, and this is the most important thing, having the same accordist background that the publication of Vatican Insider had , for which we ratify today what was said on May 17: Why is that publication done right now? We do not know, but we can assume that this "revelation" is part of the Roman strategy to lead the SSPX towards the suicidal and traitorous agreement. (...) as a support to the idea - surpassed by the facts and definitively dismissed by Bishop Lefebvre, but resurrected by Bishop Fellay - to ask Rome to leave the SSPX "to make the experience of Tradition", being a recognized Fraternity and integrated into the official structure "as it is".
With the publication of Mons. Sapienza's book on May 16, 2018, we now have two sources that reconstruct the famous interview between Pope Paul VI and Bishop Lefebvre on September 11, 1976, in Castelgandolfo.
The first source that related the event was the same Bishop Lefebvre, who immediately gave account of it to the seminarians of Ecône through two conferences recorded on September 12 and 18, 1976.
The second source, secret until now, consists of the transcription of the interview that the Pope asked to establish "as faithfully as possible". The words of the hearing were put in writing by Bishop Benelli, the substitute for the Secretary of State; they cover eight typed pages.
If Bishop Lefebvre's two lectures are an energetic reaction [ vivacious reenactment ], "hot" [ à chaud ], right after the interview and intended for his seminarians, they do not intend to exhaust the proceedings of the audience in its minute details. [Note the contrast: according to the Neo-FSSPX, Paul VI arranged for a record to be drawn up "as faithfully as possible", while Bishop Lefebvre related that conversation within the framework of a "strong reaction" "in hot ", that is, impulsively, passionately, serenely, not very objective]
The minutes of Mons. Benelli corroborate the general lines of the story of Bishop Lefebvre. However, there are differences.
Monsignor Lefebvre sincerely proposes to Peter's successor: to faithfully carry out the experiment of Tradition, using the Fraternity to build the Church. Not to stifle it or to marry it with the revolution, but to demonstrate to the authorities - to the bishops of the whole world - that this is the solution to the crisis of the Church.
On September 14, 1976, Bishop Lefebvre kept hope in the French television news: "A new climate was created, the ice broke ... It was a conversation, a first negotiation, so to speak. approve the green light, like all the experiments that are being done at this moment ... The Pope told me that he is consulting the Congregations about this possibility, Paul VI suggested that there would be a follow-up to this dialogue, but before two After all the tests that have separated us, we will not reach a solution in forty-eight hours ... For us it is not a matter of schism, we continue the Church ... In so far as the Pope is always in union with those who preceded him and transmits exactly the truth of his predecessors, we are perfectly in union.As soon as we begin to enter into novelties, it is necessary to examine if these changes are really in conformity with the Tradició n " .
On May 16, Vatican Insider published the minutes of the meeting between Bishop Lefebvre and Paul VI that took place on September 11, 1976. Said act appeared first in the book "The boat of Pablo", of the regent of the Pontifical House Leonardo Sapienza.
On May 17, Non Possumus published an entry on this. There we said the following: The published partial transcript is not reliable. If you compare it with the story of Msgr. Lefebvre, it becomes evident that someone (Sapienza ?, Benelli ?, Macchi ?, someone else?) Has falsified what was said in that meeting, something that does not surprise us in a way some, given the known lack of honesty of the modernists. Below readers can see that, in the days following the meeting, Monsignor Lefebvre accused the Vatican of lying in the information he gave on this hearing. (...) Until now there is an absolute silence of the Fraternity about this "secret act" that dishonors the memory of its founder, presenting him as a tormented, exalted, unpredictable, contradictory and vacillating man.
Well, on June 7, the SSPX, in an article divided into two parts and signed by Fr. Thouvenot, General Secretary of the SSPX; refers to the act published by apostate Rome:
1 ° Assuming, in general, the version of the modernists.
2 ° "Apologizing" to Bishop Lefebvre for having given his version "hot" [temperament] (sic!) .
3 ° Minimizing the strong exchange of accusations that, in the days following the interview, occurred between Bishop Lefebvre and the Vatican in relation to the supposed oath against the pope.
4 ° Finally, and this is the most important thing, having the same accordist background that the publication of Vatican Insider had , for which we ratify today what was said on May 17: Why is that publication done right now? We do not know, but we can assume that this "revelation" is part of the Roman strategy to lead the SSPX towards the suicidal and traitorous agreement. (...) as a support to the idea - surpassed by the facts and definitively dismissed by Bishop Lefebvre, but resurrected by Bishop Fellay - to ask Rome to leave the SSPX "to make the experience of Tradition", being a recognized Fraternity and integrated into the official structure "as it is".
EXTRACTS FROM THE TEXT OF THE GENERAL SERCETARY OF THE NEO-FSSPX
With the publication of Mons. Sapienza's book on May 16, 2018, we now have two sources that reconstruct the famous interview between Pope Paul VI and Bishop Lefebvre on September 11, 1976, in Castelgandolfo.
The first source that related the event was the same Bishop Lefebvre, who immediately gave account of it to the seminarians of Ecône through two conferences recorded on September 12 and 18, 1976.
The second source, secret until now, consists of the transcription of the interview that the Pope asked to establish "as faithfully as possible". The words of the hearing were put in writing by Bishop Benelli, the substitute for the Secretary of State; they cover eight typed pages.
If Bishop Lefebvre's two lectures are an energetic reaction [ vivacious reenactment ], "hot" [ à chaud ], right after the interview and intended for his seminarians, they do not intend to exhaust the proceedings of the audience in its minute details. [Note the contrast: according to the Neo-FSSPX, Paul VI arranged for a record to be drawn up "as faithfully as possible", while Bishop Lefebvre related that conversation within the framework of a "strong reaction" "in hot ", that is, impulsively, passionately, serenely, not very objective]
The minutes of Mons. Benelli corroborate the general lines of the story of Bishop Lefebvre. However, there are differences.
Monsignor Lefebvre sincerely proposes to Peter's successor: to faithfully carry out the experiment of Tradition, using the Fraternity to build the Church. Not to stifle it or to marry it with the revolution, but to demonstrate to the authorities - to the bishops of the whole world - that this is the solution to the crisis of the Church.
On September 14, 1976, Bishop Lefebvre kept hope in the French television news: "A new climate was created, the ice broke ... It was a conversation, a first negotiation, so to speak. approve the green light, like all the experiments that are being done at this moment ... The Pope told me that he is consulting the Congregations about this possibility, Paul VI suggested that there would be a follow-up to this dialogue, but before two After all the tests that have separated us, we will not reach a solution in forty-eight hours ... For us it is not a matter of schism, we continue the Church ... In so far as the Pope is always in union with those who preceded him and transmits exactly the truth of his predecessors, we are perfectly in union.As soon as we begin to enter into novelties, it is necessary to examine if these changes are really in conformity with the Tradició n " .
